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Nuclear power is the real solution to our energy needs yet somehow we let the greenies destroy it.  SMH.  I sat and looked at an unfinished second reactor for 20 years that could have produced more power for the grid than the scar they are trying to make in Maine bringing Canadian hydro down through old forest. 

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1 minute ago, Ez ryder said:

Like America will be allowing any new nuclear plants . Hell we can't even have new hydro plants . If it is not sun or wind the epa will not let it happen.  We deserve what we have coming 

hydro destroys the environment,  zero reason for it vs a nuke plant.  

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3 hours ago, Highmark said:

I'm not completely for or against Nuclear but watch any documentary on Chernobyl sometime.  That came fairly close to making a significant part of Europe uninhabitable.   

Supposedly that plant had so many flaws it’s surprising that accident didn’t happen sooner 

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23 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

hydro destroys the environment,  zero reason for it vs a nuke plant.  

Have you ever heard about the Norway hydro plan?

They have thrown a pile of money into that experiment.  The idea was to build reserve hydro by pumping water back uphill and let it flow when needed again.  They built quite a bit of infrastructure to feed power back and forth across Europe.  It has taken decades to build up to the current system.  Those huge powerlines through the middle of nowhere were not easy or cheap to build.  The investment and work has not been enough to keep up with demand.

Norway uses a lot of juice per capita.  Their struggles are our future without a plan.

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1 hour ago, favoritos said:

It's not just transportation.  Lots of new fangled goodies eat up juice.  We also keep throwing power at infrastructure I.E. data transport and management.

The idea of using gas to supply the power is short sighted.  It will bite us in the kiester.  That is going to happen a whole lot faster than people can imagine.

Electricity demand and supply is a biggie that could use some long term solutions.

It is ironic that China seems to have a better long term plan.  We give them a hard time for all their junk products, but they are playing by the numbers.

We keep playing touchy feely political games and bickering while we buy their junk.  The games we are playing will be our downfall.  It's hard to watch.  But, if I'm happy today, who cares about tomorrow.

Ironic, @Not greg b and I were discussing EV's and our lack of electrical infrastructure over beer and burgers last night.  

What we're totally lacking in this country is leadership and a long term game plan that most Americans will get behind and support.  Until that point we're just treading quicksand.

35 minutes ago, Ez ryder said:

Like America will be allowing any new nuclear plants . Hell we can't even have new hydro plants . If it is not sun or wind the epa will not let it happen.  We deserve what we have coming 

We've exhausted the majority of good rivers to build hydro plants on in the US and they don't come close to filling our needs.

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24 minutes ago, favoritos said:

Have you ever heard about the Norway hydro plan?

They have thrown a pile of money into that experiment.  The idea was to build reserve hydro by pumping water back uphill and let it flow when needed again.  They built quite a bit of infrastructure to feed power back and forth across Europe.  It has taken decades to build up to the current system.  Those huge powerlines through the middle of nowhere were not easy or cheap to build.  The investment and work has not been enough to keep up with demand.

Norway uses a lot of juice per capita.  Their struggles are our future without a plan.

We already do this with nuke plants in the US.  Run them full tilt and use excess energy at night to pump water uphill.  Let it down through turbines during the day to meet peak demand.

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1 minute ago, teamgreen02 said:

We already do this with nuke plants in the US.  Run them full tilt and use excess energy at night to pump water uphill.  Let it down through turbines during the day to meet peak demand.

Yeah it essentially uses water\gravity as a battery. Have to store the energy somehow and lithium batteries suck 

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21 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Ironic, @Not greg b and I were discussing EV's and our lack of electrical infrastructure over beer and burgers last night.  

What we're totally lacking in this country is leadership and a long term game plan that most Americans will get behind and support.  Until that point we're just treading quicksand.

We've exhausted the majority of good rivers to build hydro plants on in the US and they don't come close to filling our needs.

Most consumers and policy makers don't have a clue the kind of power it takes to keep a fleet of EV's running.  We don't even have an adequate line supply from the pole to the house in a large portion of the country.  That doesn't even take into account the mainline needs.  When the grid supply proves inadequate, they will be buying generators to pump up their vehicles.  It is truly backward thinking.

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6 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said:

We already do this with nuke plants in the US.  Run them full tilt and use excess energy at night to pump water uphill.  Let it down through turbines during the day to meet peak demand.

Strangely ironic.

 

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2 minutes ago, favoritos said:

Most consumers and policy makers don't have a clue the kind of power it takes to keep a fleet of EV's running.  We don't even have an adequate line supply from the pole to the house in a large portion of the country.  That doesn't even take into account the mainline needs.  When the grid supply proves inadequate, they will be buying generators to pump up their vehicles.  It is truly backward thinking.

Hydrogen makes more sense than lithium batteries 

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8 minutes ago, ACE said:

Yeah it essentially uses water\gravity as a battery. Have to store the energy somehow and lithium batteries suck 

Yup.  The more water pumped and the higher it is, the more potential energy available.  Low-head hydropower only need around 5 meters (16 feet) of height difference.

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30 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

and hydrogen comes from... 

?

I believe both Gen III and especially Gen IV reactors can essentially be coupled with high efficiency heat exchangers to enable hydrogen production through thermo-chemical processes to essentially produce hydrogen as a byproduct.  

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5 hours ago, Highmark said:

I'm not completely for or against Nuclear but watch any documentary on Chernobyl sometime.  That came fairly close to making a significant part of Europe uninhabitable.   

 

1 hour ago, ACE said:

Supposedly that plant had so many flaws it’s surprising that accident didn’t happen sooner 

True. "Chernobyl" the docudrama should be watched by everyone who thinks our reactors, at least Candu's, are anything like the Russian ones were. It was all about saving money/costs over there, not about safety.

 

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3 minutes ago, Plissken said:

I believe both Gen III and especially Gen IV reactors can essentially be coupled with high efficiency heat exchangers to enable hydrogen production through thermo-chemical processes to essentially produce hydrogen as a byproduct.  

The biggest issue with energy isn’t “creating” it, or converting it. It’s storing it 

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9 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Ironic, @Not greg b and I were discussing EV's and our lack of electrical infrastructure over beer and burgers last night.  

What we're totally lacking in this country is leadership and a long term game plan that most Americans will get behind and support.  Until that point we're just treading quicksand.

We've exhausted the majority of good rivers to build hydro plants on in the US and they don't come close to filling our needs.

No we could deff build more but epa won't allow it can't flood worthless Maryland and don't forget about the poor fish . . 

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