Angry ginger Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Nuclear power is the real solution to our energy needs yet somehow we let the greenies destroy it. SMH. I sat and looked at an unfinished second reactor for 20 years that could have produced more power for the grid than the scar they are trying to make in Maine bringing Canadian hydro down through old forest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Like America will be allowing any new nuclear plants . Hell we can't even have new hydro plants . If it is not sun or wind the epa will not let it happen. We deserve what we have coming 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: Like America will be allowing any new nuclear plants . Hell we can't even have new hydro plants . If it is not sun or wind the epa will not let it happen. We deserve what we have coming hydro destroys the environment, zero reason for it vs a nuke plant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Highmark said: I'm not completely for or against Nuclear but watch any documentary on Chernobyl sometime. That came fairly close to making a significant part of Europe uninhabitable. Supposedly that plant had so many flaws it’s surprising that accident didn’t happen sooner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: hydro destroys the environment, zero reason for it vs a nuke plant. Have you ever heard about the Norway hydro plan? They have thrown a pile of money into that experiment. The idea was to build reserve hydro by pumping water back uphill and let it flow when needed again. They built quite a bit of infrastructure to feed power back and forth across Europe. It has taken decades to build up to the current system. Those huge powerlines through the middle of nowhere were not easy or cheap to build. The investment and work has not been enough to keep up with demand. Norway uses a lot of juice per capita. Their struggles are our future without a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, favoritos said: It's not just transportation. Lots of new fangled goodies eat up juice. We also keep throwing power at infrastructure I.E. data transport and management. The idea of using gas to supply the power is short sighted. It will bite us in the kiester. That is going to happen a whole lot faster than people can imagine. Electricity demand and supply is a biggie that could use some long term solutions. It is ironic that China seems to have a better long term plan. We give them a hard time for all their junk products, but they are playing by the numbers. We keep playing touchy feely political games and bickering while we buy their junk. The games we are playing will be our downfall. It's hard to watch. But, if I'm happy today, who cares about tomorrow. Ironic, @Not greg b and I were discussing EV's and our lack of electrical infrastructure over beer and burgers last night. What we're totally lacking in this country is leadership and a long term game plan that most Americans will get behind and support. Until that point we're just treading quicksand. 35 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: Like America will be allowing any new nuclear plants . Hell we can't even have new hydro plants . If it is not sun or wind the epa will not let it happen. We deserve what we have coming We've exhausted the majority of good rivers to build hydro plants on in the US and they don't come close to filling our needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Hydro electric is a great form of electric production. It’s the most clean and least intrusive. but oh noes it floods a few acres!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, favoritos said: Have you ever heard about the Norway hydro plan? They have thrown a pile of money into that experiment. The idea was to build reserve hydro by pumping water back uphill and let it flow when needed again. They built quite a bit of infrastructure to feed power back and forth across Europe. It has taken decades to build up to the current system. Those huge powerlines through the middle of nowhere were not easy or cheap to build. The investment and work has not been enough to keep up with demand. Norway uses a lot of juice per capita. Their struggles are our future without a plan. We already do this with nuke plants in the US. Run them full tilt and use excess energy at night to pump water uphill. Let it down through turbines during the day to meet peak demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 minute ago, teamgreen02 said: We already do this with nuke plants in the US. Run them full tilt and use excess energy at night to pump water uphill. Let it down through turbines during the day to meet peak demand. Yeah it essentially uses water\gravity as a battery. Have to store the energy somehow and lithium batteries suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Ironic, @Not greg b and I were discussing EV's and our lack of electrical infrastructure over beer and burgers last night. What we're totally lacking in this country is leadership and a long term game plan that most Americans will get behind and support. Until that point we're just treading quicksand. We've exhausted the majority of good rivers to build hydro plants on in the US and they don't come close to filling our needs. Most consumers and policy makers don't have a clue the kind of power it takes to keep a fleet of EV's running. We don't even have an adequate line supply from the pole to the house in a large portion of the country. That doesn't even take into account the mainline needs. When the grid supply proves inadequate, they will be buying generators to pump up their vehicles. It is truly backward thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: We already do this with nuke plants in the US. Run them full tilt and use excess energy at night to pump water uphill. Let it down through turbines during the day to meet peak demand. Strangely ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, favoritos said: Most consumers and policy makers don't have a clue the kind of power it takes to keep a fleet of EV's running. We don't even have an adequate line supply from the pole to the house in a large portion of the country. That doesn't even take into account the mainline needs. When the grid supply proves inadequate, they will be buying generators to pump up their vehicles. It is truly backward thinking. Hydrogen makes more sense than lithium batteries 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, ACE said: Hydrogen makes more sense than lithium batteries and hydrogen comes from... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, ACE said: Yeah it essentially uses water\gravity as a battery. Have to store the energy somehow and lithium batteries suck Yup. The more water pumped and the higher it is, the more potential energy available. Low-head hydropower only need around 5 meters (16 feet) of height difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: and hydrogen comes from... ? Electricity, essentially. But then it can be stored and transported more like regular fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: and hydrogen comes from... ? I believe both Gen III and especially Gen IV reactors can essentially be coupled with high efficiency heat exchangers to enable hydrogen production through thermo-chemical processes to essentially produce hydrogen as a byproduct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Highmark said: I'm not completely for or against Nuclear but watch any documentary on Chernobyl sometime. That came fairly close to making a significant part of Europe uninhabitable. 1 hour ago, ACE said: Supposedly that plant had so many flaws it’s surprising that accident didn’t happen sooner True. "Chernobyl" the docudrama should be watched by everyone who thinks our reactors, at least Candu's, are anything like the Russian ones were. It was all about saving money/costs over there, not about safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Plissken said: I believe both Gen III and especially Gen IV reactors can essentially be coupled with high efficiency heat exchangers to enable hydrogen production through thermo-chemical processes to essentially produce hydrogen as a byproduct. The biggest issue with energy isn’t “creating” it, or converting it. It’s storing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 I think Bill Gates has one of his new nuke plants being built in Wyoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 9 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Ironic, @Not greg b and I were discussing EV's and our lack of electrical infrastructure over beer and burgers last night. What we're totally lacking in this country is leadership and a long term game plan that most Americans will get behind and support. Until that point we're just treading quicksand. We've exhausted the majority of good rivers to build hydro plants on in the US and they don't come close to filling our needs. No we could deff build more but epa won't allow it can't flood worthless Maryland and don't forget about the poor fish . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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