Pfizer vaccine against Delta

[ArcticCrusher]

Alex for the daily double.

 

 

[akvanden]

Since we live Israeli data: “Only one of 61 Israelis hospitalized with COVID in serious condition is a fully vaccinated individual under the age of 60, Channel 12 news reported Sunday, citing Health Ministry figures.”

[Zambroski]

15 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Since we live Israeli data: “Only one of 61 Israelis hospitalized with COVID in serious condition is a fully vaccinated individual under the age of 60, Channel 12 news reported Sunday, citing Health Ministry figures.”

Link to the “channel 12” report please.

[akvanden]

10 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Link to the “channel 12” report please.

Click in above Twitter link, scroll down a bit. 

[Crowder]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/just-one-serious-covid-patient-in-israel-is-both-vaccinated-and-under-60-tv/amp/

[irv]

"Report indicates more than 60% of those hospitalized with coronavirus are fully vaccinated, but almost all are over age 60"

Sounds like the vaccines are doing wonders. 

[Rod]

This isn’t rocket appliances

its the sick and elderly who are at risk, and the vaccine only boasts a certain level of protection. They never once claimed these vaccines would stop you from becoming clinically ill or that it would reduce transmission. 
 

it is almost 100% likely that people who are still dying from covid after being fully vaccinated are chronically ill already and are dying WITH sars-cov2 and not necessarily Covid. 
 

younger people and healthy people who get vaccinated are highly unlikely to have severe complications from covid even if they weren’t vaccinated 

the vaccines are likely to help older and immuno compromised people from severe symptoms or death 

if you’re younger and in overall good health the vaccine is likely to do little to nothing for you and does nothing to protect others around you. 

[Rod]

Common cold antibodies have been shown to offer a significant level of protection from covid.  Getting vaccinated can weaken this natural immune response and actually make people more susceptible to developing Covid. 
 

getting this vaccine should be individual specific based on their current health demographics and nothing else. Yet the main criteria for most people getting this one is either for rules, being able to travel or simply for the virtue signal, which a lot here did. This is completely upside down, ass backwards, and anti science. 

[Highmark]

On 7/17/2021 at 8:50 PM, f7ben said:

The vaccine is absolute shit if you’ve had covid ....that’s a fact 

The fact is we really don't understand fully what the vaccine does to those naturally immune through previous infections.  Some early studies indicate it might even degrade or kill your natural immunity.  Of course this will get little to no time from the media because more people will just refuse to get the jab. 

We don't know what we don't know and yet we are making educated guesses with hundreds of millions of lives.  There is a reason the process to get any drug or vaccine approved is so stringent.  I'm not saying there aren't times where that needs to be modified in order to help however is this virus serious enough for population wide vaccines or should of it been limited to those at risk.  I think it should have been limited to those at risk not everyone. 

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/01/vaccination-could-jeopardise-our-natural-immunity-to-covid-19-virologist-cautions/

Edited July 19, 2021 by Highmark

[Rod]

9 minutes ago, Highmark said:

The fact is we really don't understand fully what the vaccine does to those naturally immune through previous infections.  Some early studies indicate it might even degrade or kill your natural immunity.  Of course this will get little to no time from the media because more people will just refuse to get the jab. 

We don't know what we don't know and yet we are making educated guesses with hundreds of millions of lives.  There is a reason the process to get any drug or vaccine approved is so stringent.  I'm not saying there aren't times where that needs to be modified in order to help however is this virus serious enough for population wide vaccines or should of it been limited to those at risk.  I think it should have been limited to those at risk not everyone. 

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/01/vaccination-could-jeopardise-our-natural-immunity-to-covid-19-virologist-cautions/

There isn’t a vaccine for this that’s anywhere as good as natural immunity, period. 

[Highmark]

13 minutes ago, ACE said:

There isn’t a vaccine for this that’s anywhere as good as natural immunity, period. 

Agreed however I think its worth it for those at high risk who weren't previously infected.  No way I'd get the jab without antibody testing first.  

Edited July 19, 2021 by Highmark

[irv]

53 minutes ago, Highmark said:

The fact is we really don't understand fully what the vaccine does to those naturally immune through previous infections.  Some early studies indicate it might even degrade or kill your natural immunity.  Of course this will get little to no time from the media because more people will just refuse to get the jab. 

We don't know what we don't know and yet we are making educated guesses with hundreds of millions of lives.  There is a reason the process to get any drug or vaccine approved is so stringent.  I'm not saying there aren't times where that needs to be modified in order to help however is this virus serious enough for population wide vaccines or should of it been limited to those at risk.  I think it should have been limited to those at risk not everyone. 

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/01/vaccination-could-jeopardise-our-natural-immunity-to-covid-19-virologist-cautions/

Exactly, and with so many different side affects from these vaccines in a variety of people, even though most recover, what future problems are they going to encounter? I personally think of the swollen heart syndrome in children, (Myocarditis) That cannot be good, for anyone, but what does the future hold for them when they get older, put on weight, etc? So many of these side affects with practically zero long term studies. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210611/evidence-ties-covid-vaccines-to-heart-issue-in-youth

[Highmark]

10 minutes ago, irv said:

Exactly, and with so many different side affects from these vaccines in a variety of people, even though most recover, what future problems are they going to encounter? I personally think of the swollen heart syndrome in children, (Myocarditis) That cannot be good, for anyone, but what does the future hold for them when they get older, put on weight, etc? So many of these side affects with practically zero long term studies. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210611/evidence-ties-covid-vaccines-to-heart-issue-in-youth

Does anyone really believe they've been completely straightforward with the people regarding past history of mRNA vaccines?

I mean if anyone really thinks these were developed and put into testing all in a month or two of early 2020 better have their head checked.

I think the real concern is these vaccines causing the immune system to overreact and actually attack parts of the body.  This might not occur right away but happen when a secondary infection occurs.  

https://regenerativemc.com/thursday-4-8-2021-what-happened-in-the-animal-trials-for-mrna-vaccines/

The papers’ conclusion was “These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.”*

Edited July 19, 2021 by Highmark

[Rod]

55 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Agreed however I think its worth it for those at high risk who weren't previously infected.  No way I'd get the jab without antibody testing first.  

Totally agree. Not saying it doesn’t have its merits, but how it’s being used right now is scientifically ridiculous 

[pjameven]

wow....I love all the internet research scientists on this forum...kind of scary

[Plissken]

Meanwhile….in Florida

It is the unvaccinated who are bearing the brunt of the pandemic. The state noted vaccinated people made up less than 6 percent of the coronavirus cases diagnosed in the past month.

“Most people who experience serious COVID complications and/or are hospitalized, are unvaccinated,” Pushaw said. “With vaccines being freely available all over the state, Floridians are encouraged to get vaccinated if they have not done so already.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/07/16/florida-leads-nation-in-new-coronavirus-infections-in-2020-like-surge/%3FoutputType%3Damp

[Rod]

3 hours ago, Plissken said:

Meanwhile….in Florida

It is the unvaccinated who are bearing the brunt of the pandemic. The state noted vaccinated people made up less than 6 percent of the coronavirus cases diagnosed in the past month.

“Most people who experience serious COVID complications and/or are hospitalized, are unvaccinated,” Pushaw said. “With vaccines being freely available all over the state, Floridians are encouraged to get vaccinated if they have not done so already.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/07/16/florida-leads-nation-in-new-coronavirus-infections-in-2020-like-surge/%3FoutputType%3Damp

Who cares if some people have a cold? When has that ever been a thing of worry?

[Plissken]

44 minutes ago, ACE said:

Who cares if some people have a cold? When has that ever been a thing of worry?

Well it’s not a cold.  You can catch colds every winter, your antibodies from last years cold don’t do anything for the next winter’s cold.  Natural COVID antibodies protect you against next year’s COVID.

It’s a thing of worry cause it’s dropping the stock market which is money and money is important.  

[akvanden]

I like money - stop f***ing with my money! 

[SayatodaU.P.eh?]

3 hours ago, Plissken said:

Well it’s not a cold.  You can catch colds every winter, your antibodies from last years cold don’t do anything for the next winter’s cold.  Natural COVID antibodies protect you against next year’s COVID.

It’s a thing of worry cause it’s dropping the stock market which is money and money is important.  

If you think that once you catch this, develop natural antibodies to it, or get a shot, that it is just going to magically go away forever, you’re a damn idiot. 

[Rod]

6 hours ago, Plissken said:

Well it’s not a cold.  You can catch colds every winter, your antibodies from last years cold don’t do anything for the next winter’s cold.  Natural COVID antibodies protect you against next year’s COVID.

It’s a thing of worry cause it’s dropping the stock market which is money and money is important.  

Cold antibodies protect you from covid. They’ve found this a lot. And for around 95% of people it’s just a cold at most. 

[Plissken]

4 hours ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said:

If you think that once you catch this, develop natural antibodies to it, or get a shot, that it is just going to magically go away forever, you’re a damn idiot. 

It’s gonna go away….

 

[Skidooski]

[Zambroski]

13 hours ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said:

If you think that once you catch this, develop natural antibodies to it, or get a shot, that it is just going to magically go away forever, you’re a damn idiot. 

Once we ALL vaccinate and get rid of the viruses, bacteria is next!!!!!  

Don’t fret….cancer and blatant stupidity will remain to control the population.

1 hour ago, Skidooski said:

Pretty sure this is racist.

[ArcticCrusher]

What a success.