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15 hours ago, motonoggin said:

Your "culture" is centered around oppression, theft, and genocide...

You think Native American's sat around and sang Kumbaya together every couple of moons?

 

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17 minutes ago, Highmark said:

You think Native American's sat around and sang Kumbaya together every couple of moons?

 

Yes, you're absolutely right, colonizers and the colonized are exactly the same.

People who are victims of genocide and those who carry out genocide are the same. 

My bad.

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3 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Yes, you're absolutely right, colonizers and the colonized are exactly the same.

People who are victims of genocide and those who carry out genocide are the same. 

My bad.

Not exactly but share many similarities in this particular case.   

At what point in history should be the starting point of measuring the conquerors and the conquered?  Only when "whites" began doing it?    

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Just now, Highmark said:

Not exactly but share many similarities in this particular case.   

At what point in history should be the starting point of measuring the conquerors and the conquered?  Only when "whites" began doing it?    

No, they're exactly the same, therefore everything Europeans did is justified. It all makes perfect sense.

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7 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

No, they're exactly the same, therefore everything Europeans did is justified. It all makes perfect sense.

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Amerindian tribes considered warfare as natural as breathing.

Each tribe pushed other tribes off the land it wanted and in turn was frequently forced out by other later more powerful tribes. Individual status in each tribal band was based on bravery in battle, coups and scalps taken, slaves and horses stolen, enemies tortured, “foreign” women raped and (last) the ability to persuade others. “Chiefs” were the noncombatant elders who administered camps; but they had no voice in war matters. War leaders (what Europeans thought were Chiefs) were simply prominent warriors who could inspire enough followers for a raiding party.

Far more Amerindians died at the hands of rival tribes than from US Army troops, who generally could never find them or catch them. Mind you, they fought differently, frequently fleeing as soon as one of their band was injured, because then they believed their leader lost his magic. Most tribal wars were short demonstrations with lots of coup-taking and show-boating, with few seriously injured because strong warriors were in short supply and life expectancies were short.

The Comanche, for example, were pushed South by other tribes before they stole horses from Spanish/Mexicans and became the dominant Plains horse warriors. While they controlled “Comancheria”, they blocked the Westward Expansion for about fifty years. Comanches drove the Apache out of the Southwest and virtually exterminated all but a few bands that hid in the mountains around the Mexican border. The Quakers charged with pacifying them on their reservation became disgusted and horrified by the way they would ride off a few hundred miles to raid and kill, returning with fresh scalps and booty to the safety of the military-protected rez. The US Army was prohibited from entering the Amerindian reservation, but the natives could continue to “play at war.”

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20 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Did you guys know that Jews were violent in their own right? But we call the Nazis the guilty ones...

Tell me more about the violence committed by the Jewish people of Germany....

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4 hours ago, motonoggin said:

Did you guys know that Jews were violent in their own right? But we call the Nazis the guilty ones...

Funny cuz the joos actually run the world's largest concentration camp now. Same same. 

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