Zambroski Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Yep and why my business has stayed so successful. HR is all that more important to smaller operations. Got to have people who can be flexible, multi-talented and take initiative on their own without being micromanaged. 1 hour ago, fortune46x said: It works great until as mentioned before you run into a covid situation - then it brings your manufacturing to a screeching halt and your backorders come 10 fold. This is also where a good HR operation can shine...it can identify people that are truly a "resource" while also identifying those needing replacing in the near future. Clinics via SHRM are already ramping up for addressing the proper "nixing" of these employees during these trying "covid times'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Lean can be as complicated or as simple as you want it to be. ISO is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 13, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, fortune46x said: It works great until as mentioned before you run into a covid situation - then it brings your manufacturing to a screeching halt and your backorders come 10 fold. And everyone wants to move things up because they were being overly cautious with so much being shut down. We have one customer placing orders with due dates already past due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 13, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: Lean can be as complicated or as simple as you want it to be. ISO is the same. Yep neither should be a one size fits all. ISO in order to get registered might be a bit more by the book to a certain extent. Depends on the auditor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Yep neither should be a one size fits all. ISO in order to get registered might be a bit more by the book to a certain extent. Depends on the auditor. ISO is a much more stringent management baseline. Simply put, lean is process, ISO is process management. (for those reading this that don't know). THey can work really well together but, it's definitely next level operations for a more educated/dedicated workforce. I'm not commenting on MC's post...it's clear he doesn't know much at all about any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 13, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: ISO is a much more stringent management baseline. Simply put, lean is process, ISO is process management. (for those reading this that don't know). THey can work really well together but, it's definitely next level operations for a more educated/dedicated workforce. I'm not commenting on MC's post...it's clear he doesn't know much at all about any of this. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yep neither should be a one size fits all. ISO in order to get registered might be a bit more by the book to a certain extent. Depends on the auditor. Once you understand ISO it can be very simplified even using flow charts. The auditor is only concerned you do as you say and have forms you do so also doing your corrective and preventive actions according to your Quality Manual docs. Edited April 13, 2021 by Mainecat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: Once you understand ISO it can be very simplified even using flow charts. The auditor is only concerned you do as you say and have forms you do so also doing your corrective and preventive actions according to your Quality Manual docs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 13, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Once you understand ISO it can be very simplified even using flow charts. The auditor is only concerned you do as you say and have forms you do so also doing your corrective and preventive actions according to your Quality Manual docs. I understand ISO. We are certified/registered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, Zambroski said: What would I know. I just wrote the quality manual and all the procedures for our ISO program, oversaw its training as well as lean programs for our 65 production employees. I was audited once a year and re certified 4 times by TUV? If you only knew..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mainecat said: What would I know. I just wrote the quality manual and all the procedures for our ISO program, oversaw its training as well as lean programs for our 65 production employees. I was audited once a year and re certified 4 times by TUV? If you only knew..... That's normally a good job for a secretary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: That's normally a good job for a secretary. No it’s not. You would have to fully understand our production process and who the fuck has secretaries anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: No it’s not. You would have to fully understand our production process and who the fuck has secretaries anymore? That's what I call busy body work that any trained monkey can do. Were you the office manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: That's what I call busy body work that any trained monkey can do. Were you the office manager? Obviously being clueless is your specialty. Edited April 13, 2021 by Mainecat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Obviously being clueless is your specialty. Has this mickey mouse operation evolved much in 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Potentially interesting thread that went to shit. Does lean mfg address assholes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Potentially interesting thread that went to shit. Does lean mfg address assholes? Oh yes...because that is what you are here for......interesting reading. Now, on the second, it depends....if you mean trying to cull them out from conversations in which people know what they are talking about? Then yes. 3 hours ago, Mainecat said: What would I know. I just wrote the quality manual and all the procedures for our ISO program, oversaw its training as well as lean programs for our 65 production employees. I was audited once a year and re certified 4 times by TUV? If you only knew..... Oh, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Potentially interesting thread that went to shit. Does lean mfg address assholes? Lean Six Sigma black belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Oh yes...because that is what you are here for......interesting reading. Now, on the second, it depends....if you mean trying to cull them out from conversations in which people know what they are talking about? Then yes. Oh, I know. Manufacturing is for the most part like watching paint dry to me. But like garbage collection, it’s cool to watch the arm grab the can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Manufacturing is for the most part like watching paint dry to me. But like garbage collection, it’s cool to watch the arm grab the can. Now now you just insulted the resident house painter. Much better looking at ink blotches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Lean Six Sigma black belt. Yeah, but can you do a good polka? 5 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Manufacturing is for the most part like watching paint dry to me. But like garbage collection, it’s cool to watch the arm grab the can. I loved touring the manu plants and did so every chance I was given that automated shit is unreal and the people charged with keeping them running were pretty fucking amazing themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Yeah, but can you do a good polka? Anything's possible with alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Potentially interesting thread that went to shit. Does lean mfg address assholes? Not Canadian ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Anyone else having metal raw stock supply issues? Some of the superalloys and specialty metals we use are months out. Can't get material certs and have run in to heat lot issues many times when we are getting some of the stuff from new vendors. We have one of our larger suppliers shut down for the next month, that'll be awesome. My personal favorite is when we get shit parts from a supplier and have to send them out our model shop or another location's machine shop to be made useful. Of course they are so late and we are so desperate for the parts, we just suck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 49 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: Anyone else having metal raw stock supply issues? Some of the superalloys and specialty metals we use are months out. Can't get material certs and have run in to heat lot issues many times when we are getting some of the stuff from new vendors. We have one of our larger suppliers shut down for the next month, that'll be awesome. My personal favorite is when we get shit parts from a supplier and have to send them out our model shop or another location's machine shop to be made useful. Of course they are so late and we are so desperate for the parts, we just suck it up. Yes, for us it's brass. We are in the fishing tackle business (spoons, spinner blades). My father in law works for Fastenal, at his warehouse they strictly deal with a manufacturer of docks,lifts and trailers and they are having trouble with aluminum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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