racer254 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Snake said: I’m no United States Inauguration Day historian, but I can’t off the top of my head remember a new president taking over and thinking that killing jobs was a great way to kick things off and endear himself to his people. Honestly, I’m not sure that a mentally competent Joe Biden would have thought so either. Yeah, 80 million competent Americans voted for this guy.....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 5:36 PM, Ez ryder said: Tell me how the keystone is different to you ? Really how Again @mainecat how is this line different than the others and exactly why dose it need to be stopped? Best go start looking for a awnser from your mother Jones because I will bring it up every day till you can answer the basic question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/wind-solar-are-cheapest-power-source-in-most-places-bnef-says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/wind-solar-are-cheapest-power-source-in-most-places-bnef-says Bloomberg. About as credible as your scientist, Bill Nye. Have you ever, in your life, had any critical thinking thoughts of your own, Styrofoam boy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted January 23, 2021 Author Gold Member Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, revkevsdi said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/wind-solar-are-cheapest-power-source-in-most-places-bnef-says Nothing in the keystone xl pipeline carries goes into making electricity. We have a good 40-50 years we could have put a modern state of the art pipeline to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, revkevsdi said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/wind-solar-are-cheapest-power-source-in-most-places-bnef-says Lmfao oh is that what Bloomberg says . Shocker . Fucking run lemming run the cliff is near Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 hours ago, revkevsdi said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/wind-solar-are-cheapest-power-source-in-most-places-bnef-says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low-1 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Wind is another “iffy” source of generation... I would have always said it was a feel-good story at best, but they do contribute a surprising amount of megawatts to the grid, at times. Our utility feeds into the Midcontinent independent system operator (MISO), and anyone can check the real-time contribution of various sources, as well as the current wholesale price of electricity, at any time. https://www.misoenergy.org/markets-and-operations/real-time--market-data/real-time-displays/ (if on a mobile device, scroll through the “pods” to see the fuel mix) So, at times (not that much right now), wind does contribute a fair amount of REAL power. Unfortunately, real power isn’t the entire story... Virtually all (all that I know of, but there could be some that are different) wind turbines are induction machines. Almost all conventional generators are synchronous machines. The difference being, sync machines generate their own field, which is the magnetic power used to “couple” the generator to the grid. The power used to set up these fields come from VARs (volt-amp-reactive), and most people who have even heard that term simply understand them as “wasted power”. It’s not, that’s a misunderstanding. VARs are power within the system that is required so that real power can flow and real work can be done. Without a magnetic field, transformers don’t work, motors don’t work and generators don’t work. Induction machines (which include wind turbines, as well as squirrel cage motors, transformers, basically anything that spins or hums that isn’t a synchronous machine) REQUIRE synchronous generators to provide the VARs to set up the field so they can do their work. As megawatts come out of the wind turbines, megaVARs are flowing in. This is horribly inefficient, requiring oversized conductors (larger wires) to carry the extra current flowing in the opposite direction. It also places a lot of strain on the conventional sources, and all the other reactive components along the way. So as we develop wind, we have to oversize everything else to support it, as well as install synchronous condensers and massive switched cap banks to provide voltage support as the winds gust and drop off. So wind does provide real power, at the expense of stressing everything else along the way. Not nearly the perfect solution they are made out to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 11:39 AM, irv said: Bloomberg. About as credible as your scientist, Bill Nye. Have you ever, in your life, had any critical thinking thoughts of your own, Styrofoam boy? I thought a long time ago that Trump was a conman, that it’s stupid to listen to scientists hired by the oil industry. Somehow that phrase “follow the money “ seems to only apply to fake news stories about Biden with people like you. Oil has required subsidies forever and the companies play dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 2:36 PM, Ez ryder said: Compare that to the taxpayers footing the Bill for abandoned oil wells. or these stats. From 1994 through 2013, the U.S. had 745 serious incidents with gas distribution, causing 278 fatalities and 1059 injuries, with $110,658,083 in property damage.[76] From 1994 through 2013, there were an additional 110 serious incidents with gas transmission, resulting in 41 fatalities, 195 injuries, and $448,900,333 in property damage.[77] From 1994 through 2013, there were an additional 941 serious incidents with gas all system type, resulting in 363 fatalities, 1392 injuries, and $823,970,000 in property damage.[78] A recent Wall Street Journal review found that there were 1,400 pipeline spills and accidents in the U.S. 2010–2013. According to the Journal review, four in every five pipeline accidents are discovered by local residents, not the companies that own the pipelines.[79][80] or this photo. What would this do to properly values. The company sprinkled chemicals in the rivers to make to oil sink to the bottom. Happy fishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Styrofoam man really cares!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted January 25, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dave said: Styrofoam man really cares!!! Talk about being daft She/he/they take the cake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, Skidooski said: Talk about being daft She/he/they take the cake You're best to just ignore him. He is about as out of touch with reality as they come and just uses this site to get the attention that he clearly never had much of his whole life. Styrofoam is made out of styrene which is a petroleum-based product. Polystyrene contains the toxic substances Styrene and Benzene, suspected carcinogens and neurotoxins that are hazardous to humans. Polystyrene is slow to degrade, and if disposed of improperly, the foam can leach chemicals into the environment harming water sources. Polystyrene manufacturing is an enormous creator of hazardous waste. Furthermore, polystyrene manufacturing greatly contributes to global warming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted January 25, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, irv said: You're best to just ignore him. He is about as out of touch with reality as they come and just uses this site to get the attention that he clearly never had much of his whole life. Styrofoam is made out of styrene which is a petroleum-based product. Polystyrene contains the toxic substances Styrene and Benzene, suspected carcinogens and neurotoxins that are hazardous to humans. Polystyrene is slow to degrade, and if disposed of improperly, the foam can leach chemicals into the environment harming water sources. Polystyrene manufacturing is an enormous creator of hazardous waste. Furthermore, polystyrene manufacturing greatly contributes to global warming. Oh I do but he pity bumps his own moronic threads then like floaters in a toilet they come back up to the top 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 11:29 AM, revkevsdi said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/wind-solar-are-cheapest-power-source-in-most-places-bnef-says How much have you personally invested in any clean energy? Cashable GIC's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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