The Results Are In....

[Cumulus Nimbus]

Just now, racer254 said:

Do you think I really give a flying F**k about KS?  The partisan bullshit started with the original poster, and with the partisan hackery that he is know for, I started looking up his information.  Turns out that it is exactly as thought, a bunch of partisan bull to paint a picture to the people who won't do any research for themselves.  I have been able to list the facts from non partisan sites that prove his intellectual dishonesty.  If I wanted to be a partisan hack, I could come up with all kinds of right wing articles, but I didn't have to.

You are a partisan hack. Always have been one and most likely will continue. Even hacks get it right once in a while. You blindly support the right wing, and at times the right side of the aisle is bang on correct. But, and this is a big one, even when they are wrong, and very wrong, you support them and fail to criticize. That is what makes a hack a hack.

[racer254]

6 minutes ago, Cumulus Nimbus said:

You are a partisan hack. Always have been one and most likely will continue. Even hacks get it right once in a while. You blindly support the right wing, and at times the right side of the aisle is bang on correct. But, and this is a big one, even when they are wrong, and very wrong, you support them and fail to criticize. That is what makes a hack a hack.

I have criticized many republicans and I have also supported democrats.  Maybe you can't say the same and I guarantee the OP can't.  I consider intellectual dishonesty the biggest proof of a partisan hack. 

 

Edited June 2, 2016 by racer254

[Skidooski]

2 hours ago, Cumulus Nimbus said:

Are you saying a faggot could not recognize another faggot? The partisan hacks on this site are many, and 99% of those hacks are hard core far right wingers.

So in your world Faggots go around pointing and laughing at their kind calling them Faggots? That's moronic at best

[Capt.Storm]

Well certainly honesty can get in the way of a well meaning agenda. 

[SnowRider]

  Trickled On utopia  

 

revenue report that was released Wednesday stunned many observers because the official estimates of how much money the state should take in were just revised downward in mid-April.

But even with those lower estimates, individual income tax revenues came in $58 million below the mark, and corporate income taxes were $15 million below estimates.

That raised immediate questions about whether the estimating process itself is still flawed, or if something unexpected happened in the Kansas economy.

In announcing the numbers, the Kansas Department of Revenue suggested it could be both. 

http://m.ljworld.com/news/2016/jun/02/brownback-not-planning-more-budget-cuts/?templates=mobile

Edited June 3, 2016 by SnowRider

[racer254]

5 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

  Trickled On utopia  

 

revenue report that was released Wednesday stunned many observers because the official estimates of how much money the state should take in were just revised downward in mid-April.

But even with those lower estimates, individual income tax revenues came in $58 million below the mark, and corporate income taxes were $15 million below estimates.

That raised immediate questions about whether the estimating process itself is still flawed, or if something unexpected happened in the Kansas economy.

In announcing the numbers, the Kansas Department of Revenue suggested it could be both. 

http://m.ljworld.com/news/2016/jun/02/brownback-not-planning-more-budget-cuts/?templates=mobile

There you have it.  Just like I have been telling you.   And the revenue from taxes is still above what it ever has been.  Care to debate that?  It seems the policies in Kansas are working like predicted. 

[SnowRider]

Doe Dumber  

As population and inflation increase - so should the tax base and taxes collected.  KS is falling behind and unable to fund the bare necessities.  Care to pull your head out of the sand realize the reality trickled on does not work...   

[racer254]

3 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Doe Dumber  

As population and inflation increase - so should the tax base and taxes collected.  KS is falling behind and unable to fund the bare necessities.  Care to pull your head out of the sand realize the reality trickled on does not work...   

Hard for you to admit when you are wrong isn't it.  Go read the topic about honest debates.  Then come back and rethink this through.

[SnowRider]

2 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Hard for you to admit when you are wrong isn't it.  Go read the topic about honest debates.  Then come back and rethink this through.

I'm honest. You're not and dumb on top of it.  Why are they reeling and cutting spending? . I thought they had more money?  Can't even fund their schools.  

[racer254]

Kansas state revenue is higher than last year and it is higher now then it ever has been with a democrat as governor.   Care to debate that?

Yes, the results are in and it proves that KS is doing well.

Edited June 3, 2016 by racer254

[SnowRider]

 Even the R's in KS are pissed and many are not running for reelection.  Sounds like they are doing great.  

 

holy fuck are you dumb  

[racer254]

Facts vs Hacks

The facts seem to disprove the hacks in this case.

[SnowRider]

7 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Facts vs Hacks

The facts seem to disprove the hacks in this case.

You are a hack who doesn't know shit about facts

After the 2013 fiscal year, Kansas was in good shape. It had more than $700 million in a reserve fund, equal to more than 11 percent of its spending that year ($6.1 billion). In fact, state law requires Kansas to keep its balance equal to 7.5 percent of expenses. In total that year, the budget brought in about $200 million more than the state spent.

But then the tax cuts kicked in. Revenue in the 2014 fiscal year came in $333 million below projections—and nearly $700 million below the 2013 levels. Spending fell by around $150 million, but the state still faced a deficit of $329 million. Because the reserve fund was flush with cash, Brownback and his Republican colleagues didn’t have to making drastic cuts or hike taxes to close the shortfall. They just subtracted it from the reserve fund, leaving it with just $380 million remaining. 

https://newrepublic.com/article/121068/kansas-tax-cuts-deplete-budget-brownback-proposes-more-cuts

Edited June 3, 2016 by SnowRider

[racer254]

Another hack article? 

Until you can come up with some non biased government documents with facts proving your drivel, like the documents I have linked,  I will consider this thread closed.

Total collections in Kansas for 2015 were up from 2014.

$8,542,289,348 vs $8,471,295,164

Here are the facts:

http://www.ksrevenue.org/stats.html

[Mileage Psycho]

39 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Facts vs Hacks

The facts seem to disprove the hacks in this case.

Here are some facts you rummy:

 

Quote

 

Just after they adjourned lawmakers got more bad news about state revenues. The Department of Revenue reported that tax collections in May fell $74.5 million short of expectations, a 13.7 percent shortfall.

Kansas lawmakers leave Topeka without addressing court ruling on school finance

The shortfall in monthly tax collections means the state may have to delay paying some of its bills or take other steps to avoid a budget deficit at the end of this month. GOP lawmakers also said it means there’s no extra money for schools, unless other parts of the budget are cut.

“We need to fight the courts,” said Republican Sen. Rob Olson. “They’ve crossed the line.”

Tax collections have fallen short of expectations in 10 of the past 12 months. Brownback last month cut higher education spending and money for Medicaid health coverage for the needy, disabled and elderly.

 

Edited June 3, 2016 by Mileage Psycho
Runaway script

[Rounder]

On 5/31/2016 at 0:30 PM, racer254 said:

Kansas has the lowest unemployment rate in 14 years at 4.1%

Wages in Kansas have increased by 7% since 2011. 

 

BTW, Kansas must like him so why do you care?

 

Just the other day I was reading right wingers saying unemployment stats are bullshit, it may have been you that posted it.

[SnowRider]

 

Kansans are overwhelmingly dissatisfied with their state government and their choice of presidential candidates, according to a new poll released Friday. 

But when given a choice between the two parties' presumptive nominees, a plurality (43-36 percent) said they prefer Democrat Hillary Clinton to Republican Donald Trump, while 21 percent are currently undecided.

If those trends hold through November, it would mark a historic shift in Kansas politics, where no Democratic presidential candidate has won Kansas since 1964, when Lyndon Johnson carried it over Barry Goldwater, 54-45 percent.

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton greets supporters as she arrives to speak during a presidential primary election night rally, Tuesday, June 7, 2016, in New York. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)

The poll by John Zogby Strategies was commissioned by the Kansas Health Foundation and was released Friday in conjunction with a symposium being conducted in Wichita. The random survey of 433 registered voters was conducted June 4-6 and had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.7 percent.

It also showed 71 percent of those surveyed have a generally unfavorable opinion about the performance of Kansas government and nearly two-thirds (65 percent) don't believe it's doing a good job spending or saving taxpayers' money.

Another 60 percent don't believe the state is spending enough to ensure a quality education for Kansas children, and just over half, 56 percent, say it's not doing enough to provide a safety net for poor and low-income residents.

[SnowRider]

Hillarys leading in KS  And they are pissed about Brownstains lack of education funding  

[SnowRider]

Self’s company is among the nearly 334,000 Kansas businesses that do not owe any state income taxes under the 2012 tax cuts. Before Brownback’s tax cuts, Self would have owed up to $177,375 a year on the income.

The tax cuts eliminated state income taxes on LLCs and all “pass-through” businesses, which include partnerships, sole proprietorships, farms, mineral interests, patent royalties and independent contractors.

The intent was to put trickle-down economics into play. The idea, popularized by President Ronald Reagan’s economic adviser, Arthur Laffer, was that companies would use their tax windfall to boost investment and create jobs.

 

 

 

 

That is not what happened. Kansas’s economy tanked, and there were only 800 more private-sector jobs last year than in 2014. This year, the cuts blew a $650 million hole in Kansas’ $6 billion budget. Sales and property taxes had to be raised to help plug the hole.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/the-platform/editorial-ku-coach-bill-self-and-the-myth-of-trickle/article_9ad461e1-f83a-5a1f-a200-d3223fdeeba0.html

 

Edited June 15, 2016 by SnowRider

[Momorider]

On May 29, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Momorider said:

And the consensus is you are a socialist clown hack no mind Thrillery taint licking moron  

 

[SnowRider]

 

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a45878/kansas-healthcare-missouri/

There are days on which I think seriously of consulting with some experts in the field and re-animating William Tecumseh Sherman and telling him to turn right at Chattanooga this time and not stop until he gets to the Grand Canyon. There are some things that history tells you not the monkey around with. This is at the top of the list.

Sliding north, we find ourselves in the failed state of Kansas, now in the fifth year of the Brownbackian Dark Ages, as such things are reckoned. Somehow, the fact that Kansas' status as a supply-side lab rat has dropped the state down a political garbage chute the likes of which hasn't been seen since they shredded the Articles of Confederation is beginning to seep under the guardhouses of the gated communities. The head of a healthcare company is fleeing to the Missouri border and he's not shy about telling the world why. 

From Pathfinder Health Innovations CEO Jeff Blackwood: 

It wasn't just that Brownback was conservative; it was that he is seen as a tool of the Koch brothers and ALEC, a conservative think tank and lobbying organization. Brownback used his influence and funding to eliminate "moderate" republicans from the Kansas legislature and install his hand-picked conservative cronies. He couldn't do the same with the Kansas Supreme Court, which has ruled a number of the conservative legislature's laws as unconstitutional, so Brownback's administration decided to threaten to cut off funding to the court system and is actively pursuing legislation to impeach the Supreme Court.

Kansas has become a test center of "trickle down" economics, espoused by economist Arthur Laffer during the Reagan years. Nowhere has there been as thorough an implementation of Laffer's policy recommendations… and nowhere has there been as dramatic a failure of government. Under Brownback's direction, Kansas implemented an unprecedented tax cut in 2012, eliminating taxes for LLCs and professional firms (for full disclosure, PHI is a C Corporation) and making the largest cuts in the highest tax brackets. He shifted taxes to create a heavier burden on property and sales taxes, which typically represent a larger burden on lower income brackets. Brownback declared that this tax cut would be a "shot of adrenaline" for the Kansas economy, but the reality is that the tax cuts have had the opposite effect. Kansas lags neighboring states in job growth. For 11 of the last 12 months, Kansas has dramatically missed revenue targets, falling deeper in debt and facing another round of degraded bond ratings. 

The worst part is that the burdens for the shortfalls rest on the shoulders of those who can least afford it – children and the developmentally disabled.

No kidding, tell us what you really feel.

The funding problems got so bad that Osawatomie State Hospital's mental health ward had to significantly cut staffing. Over 40% of their staff positions were dormant, leaving the remaining staff overworked and unprepared. This understaffing resulted in an improperly released patient murdering a 61-year-old man, and a hospital worker was raped, having to rely on other patients to save her. In January 2016, the Osawatomie State Hospital lost its certification to provide mental health services, cutting off federal funding that counted for roughly half of the hospital's revenue. It is unclear what will happen to the patients and staff at Osawatomie State Hospital, leaving the fates of the patients in limbo. 

The state's public education system, once considered one of the best in the nation, hasn't been spared, either. You'll hear claims from Kansas officials that funding to education is at an all time high, but it's just an accounting trick – they chose to shuffle money for special education and retirement funds through the schools so it could appear as an increase on the books. Salary freezes, underfunding to the point of being ruled unconstitutional, laws allowing teachers to be imprisoned for introducing potentially "offensive" content, cuts and delays in $100 million in payments to the state-run retirement fund, and legislation specifically targeted to cripple the Kansas teacher's union are all part of an ongoing effort to undermine the public education system in Kansas. Instead, the Brownback administration plans to offer vouchers to encourage families to send their children to private and religious schools. 

To double down on these policies, Brownback is now ignoring the $250 million shortfall predicted for 2016, instead opting for headlines about closing Kansas to refugees and blaming the "liberal media" for the state's economic woes.

Edited June 17, 2016 by SnowRider

[Sleepr2]

1 hour ago, SnowRider said:

 

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a45878/kansas-healthcare-missouri/

There are days on which I think seriously of consulting with some experts in the field and re-animating William Tecumseh Sherman and telling him to turn right at Chattanooga this time and not stop until he gets to the Grand Canyon. There are some things that history tells you not the monkey around with. This is at the top of the list.

Sliding north, we find ourselves in the failed state of Kansas, now in the fifth year of the Brownbackian Dark Ages, as such things are reckoned. Somehow, the fact that Kansas' status as a supply-side lab rat has dropped the state down a political garbage chute the likes of which hasn't been seen since they shredded the Articles of Confederation is beginning to seep under the guardhouses of the gated communities. The head of a healthcare company is fleeing to the Missouri border and he's not shy about telling the world why. 

From Pathfinder Health Innovations CEO Jeff Blackwood: 

It wasn't just that Brownback was conservative; it was that he is seen as a tool of the Koch brothers and ALEC, a conservative think tank and lobbying organization. Brownback used his influence and funding to eliminate "moderate" republicans from the Kansas legislature and install his hand-picked conservative cronies. He couldn't do the same with the Kansas Supreme Court, which has ruled a number of the conservative legislature's laws as unconstitutional, so Brownback's administration decided to threaten to cut off funding to the court system and is actively pursuing legislation to impeach the Supreme Court.

Kansas has become a test center of "trickle down" economics, espoused by economist Arthur Laffer during the Reagan years. Nowhere has there been as thorough an implementation of Laffer's policy recommendations… and nowhere has there been as dramatic a failure of government. Under Brownback's direction, Kansas implemented an unprecedented tax cut in 2012, eliminating taxes for LLCs and professional firms (for full disclosure, PHI is a C Corporation) and making the largest cuts in the highest tax brackets. He shifted taxes to create a heavier burden on property and sales taxes, which typically represent a larger burden on lower income brackets. Brownback declared that this tax cut would be a "shot of adrenaline" for the Kansas economy, but the reality is that the tax cuts have had the opposite effect. Kansas lags neighboring states in job growth. For 11 of the last 12 months, Kansas has dramatically missed revenue targets, falling deeper in debt and facing another round of degraded bond ratings. 

The worst part is that the burdens for the shortfalls rest on the shoulders of those who can least afford it – children and the developmentally disabled.

No kidding, tell us what you really feel.

The funding problems got so bad that Osawatomie State Hospital's mental health ward had to significantly cut staffing. Over 40% of their staff positions were dormant, leaving the remaining staff overworked and unprepared. This understaffing resulted in an improperly released patient murdering a 61-year-old man, and a hospital worker was raped, having to rely on other patients to save her. In January 2016, the Osawatomie State Hospital lost its certification to provide mental health services, cutting off federal funding that counted for roughly half of the hospital's revenue. It is unclear what will happen to the patients and staff at Osawatomie State Hospital, leaving the fates of the patients in limbo. 

The state's public education system, once considered one of the best in the nation, hasn't been spared, either. You'll hear claims from Kansas officials that funding to education is at an all time high, but it's just an accounting trick – they chose to shuffle money for special education and retirement funds through the schools so it could appear as an increase on the books. Salary freezes, underfunding to the point of being ruled unconstitutional, laws allowing teachers to be imprisoned for introducing potentially "offensive" content, cuts and delays in $100 million in payments to the state-run retirement fund, and legislation specifically targeted to cripple the Kansas teacher's union are all part of an ongoing effort to undermine the public education system in Kansas. Instead, the Brownback administration plans to offer vouchers to encourage families to send their children to private and religious schools. 

To double down on these policies, Brownback is now ignoring the $250 million shortfall predicted for 2016, instead opting for headlines about closing Kansas to refugees and blaming the "liberal media" for the state's economic woes.

Poor Snowbevis, he still thinks Business is for leftist slackers ,, rather that the real objective which is profits.. Funny how the left has a problem with swiching the definition of other peoples money.. Greedy pathetic libtards ,,,

[racer254]

2 hours ago, Sleepr2 said:

Poor Snowbevis, he still thinks Business is for leftist slackers ,, rather that the real objective which is profits.. Funny how the left has a problem with swiching the definition of other peoples money.. Greedy pathetic libtards ,,,

Facts vs hacks.  Simple as that.

He doesn't understand that Kansas is taking in more revenue now then when any democrat was governor.

[Rod]

On May 31, 2016 at 11:22 AM, SnowRider said:

So tell the class how trickled on is working in Kansas....  

It gave Canada the richest middle class in the world tho

[SnowRider]

What happened after California raised taxes and Kansas cut them

The state of California made some headlines last week when the latest economic data found that the Golden State’s economy is now the sixth largeston the planet, passing France and Brazil. It was a striking milestone just in terms of California’s sheer economic might.

 

But there was something else about the news with some political salience: when California raised taxes on the wealthy in 2012, creating one of the highest marginal tax rates in the country, conservatives were certain the state’s economy would take a severe hit. How’d that work out? The Washington Postreported the other day:

California grew just fine in the year the tax hikes took effect… California’s economy grew by 4.1 percent in 2015, according to new numbers from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, tying it with Oregon for the fastest state growth of the year. That was up from 3.1 percent growth for the Golden State in 2014, which was near the top of the national pack.

At the same time, Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) slashed taxes, leading conservatives to predict great things for the state’s economy. And yet, here we are.

The Kansas economy, on the other hand, grew 0.2 percent in 2015. That’s down from 1.2 percent in 2014, and below neighboring states such as Nebraska (2.1 percent) and Missouri (1.2 percent). Kansas ended the year with two consecutive quarters of negative growth – a shrinking economy. By a common definition of the term, the state entered 2016 in recession. […]

 

Kansas’s gross domestic product is still less than it was at the end of 2011, said Menzie Chinn, an economist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who has been following Kansas’s economy. Meanwhile, the economy in the rest of the country continues to expand.

In case it’s not obvious, California and Kansas don’t have much in common, and they have very different populations and industries. It wouldn’t be fair to evaluate the two solely on the basis of size.

 

But it is fair to note that conservatives’ predictions weren’t even close to being correct about these two states – though it hasn’t caused much in the way of introspection.

 

Mother Jones’ Kevin Drum noted the other day, “This, of course, has caused conservatives to think long and hard about their contention that cutting taxes on the rich and slashing bloated budgets will supercharge the economy. Haha. Just kidding. What they’ve actually done is either (a) ignore Kansas or (b) spend lots of time trying to dig up reasons that Kansas is a special case and would have done even worse if Brownback hadn’t stepped in. These reasons tend to be pretty ridiculous, but so far they’ve been good enough to keep the rubes in line. And that’s what matters, right?”

 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/what-happened-after-california-raised-taxes-and-kansas-cut-them

Edited June 21, 2016 by SnowRider