ArcticCrusher Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: wal-mart did that a few years ago here Foodland did that a few years ago here 24hr will only work in some areas and not forever either - I doubt wages has anything to do with it. there will still be cleaning crews working and shelf facers If no one is buying at 4am why be open 24 hr is pretty much the norm in the US, even in remote areas. We tried it and failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/ontario-refuses-to-say-how-much-it-overran-12m-repair-budget-for-bridge-1.3758876 Quote TORONTO -- Repairs to a bridge in northwestern Ontario will take nearly three years and delays have pushed the total cost well over the initial $8 million to $12 million estimate, according to documents obtained by The Canadian Press. But the Ontario government is refusing to say just how much over, and whether taxpayers will have to foot the bill for fixes to the Nipigon Bridge. "Since the malfunction in January 2016 our top priority has been to ensure the public is aware of the status of the project and the cause of the malfunction," Celso Pereira, the transportation minister's spokesman, said in a statement. "With that said, negotiations with the contractor regarding these costs are currently underway. As such, the ministry is not able to release them as it could jeopardize the status of these negotiations." Engineering reports found that a combination of design and installation deficiencies of several key components caused the bridge to fail, severing a critical Trans-Canada Highway link. Improperly tightened bolts on one portion of the bridge snapped, causing the steel decking to lift about 60 centimetres. That was just 42 days after the $106-million bridge had opened. The bridge reopened to one lane of traffic the next day and two lanes in late February, but according to the ministry, it won't be open to four lanes of traffic until late 2018. When those engineering reports were released in September 2016, the government estimated the repair work at between $8 million and $12 million. Documents obtained by The Canadian Press through a Freedom of Information request, with project updates from May, June and October, discuss construction challenges and delays that are leading to additional costs, but nearly all of those amounts are redacted. One of the only additional cost estimates not removed from the documents is that a repair to a floor beam connecting two girders that wasn't fitting properly "will add one month to the construction schedule and could cost up to $2 million." NDP transportation critic Wayne Gates said the public has a right to know the additional costs and the company awarded the project should be paying. "They should be responsible for any of the cost at all," he said. "Whether it's $8 to $12 million or whether it's $30 million, taxpayers shouldn't pay a penny for this." Progressive Conservative critic Michael Harris said he would have expected negotiations about repair costs to have been done before repairs began, and not 16 months later. "I think anybody, you or I, are building a house or doing a renovation, we try to get those costs agreed to up front," he said. "It seems this government negotiates completely backwards." The documents say failure to open all the lanes in 2017 would "result in a claim for additional costs by the contractor" and that it would "result in an increase to contract administration costs." One of the issues listed is with the east bearing, which the documents say the contractor repaired, but the ministry has concerns with its long-term durability. "Contractually, the bearing design and installation are the responsibility of the contractor, however considering previous issues (experienced) with the west bearing, the ministry will need to examine more closely," the documents say. "If the repair is not able to be completed by the contractor, the ministry will be required to stop the work until a satisfactory repair is in place." If that happens, "the contractor may perceive this as a change to the contract and request payment," the documents say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, revrnd said: https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/ontario-refuses-to-say-how-much-it-overran-12m-repair-budget-for-bridge-1.3758876 Just watch... the people of Ontario will pay for all the repairs even though the contractor screwed the job up. From the read I get the sense that we are paying the same contractor who screwed up in the first place to fix their screw up. Now wait for the end when we also pay them a bonus. They tell you it will take another year to fix their screw up and if they get it done in 10 months by taking short cuts we'll pay them extra. FOR A SCREW UP THAT THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD PAY EVERY PENNY OF TO FIX AND A PENALTY FOR THE SCREW UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, 02sled said: Just watch... the people of Ontario will pay for all the repairs even though the contractor screwed the job up. From the read I get the sense that we are paying the same contractor who screwed up in the first place to fix their screw up. Now wait for the end when we also pay them a bonus. They tell you it will take another year to fix their screw up and if they get it done in 10 months by taking short cuts we'll pay them extra. FOR A SCREW UP THAT THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD PAY EVERY PENNY OF TO FIX AND A PENALTY FOR THE SCREW UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. How do you know it’s the contractors fault? Contractor builds to plans and specs provided. The government engineers approved the design and materials. If the government changed any item in engineering firms design then they assume responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sksman said: How do you know it’s the contractors fault? Contractor builds to plans and specs provided. The government engineers approved the design and materials. If the government changed any item in engineering firms design then they assume responsibility. During Tender the company will submit drawings to the government in most of these cases. I have been in a room with 5 companies competing for our business and all have their own drawings depending on the project. This was a big fuck up from both sides of the process Come in Low and go out High is very common Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: During Tender the company will submit drawings to the government in most of these cases. I have been in a room with 5 companies competing for our business and all have their own drawings depending on the project. This was a big fuck up from both sides of the process Come in Low and go out High is very common Contractors bid to the spec. Last government project I bid was over 20 years ago and was for a Scada system upgrade. Double conversion from Fix32 to iFix GUI. Specs said conversion was flawless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Contractors bid to the spec. Last government project I bid was over 20 years ago and was for a Scada system upgrade. Double conversion from Fix32 to iFix GUI. Specs said conversion was flawless. sometime we complete drawings after the job, like installing ductless AC systems. Draw the pipes up after so its 100% accurate - some of these contractors are just wizards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: sometime we complete drawings after the job, like installing ductless AC systems. Draw the pipes up after so its 100% accurate - some of these contractors are just wizards. I would never waste my time designing for a bid. Welcome to the whore's market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: I would never waste my time designing for a bid. Welcome to the whore's market. there is a reason the same contractors are used time and time again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: there is a reason the same contractors are used time and time again We were in it one time fail. Were even the prefered contractor. Not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: We were in it one time fail. Were even the prefered contractor. Not worth it. its not for everyone, too many rules and regs lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: its not for everyone, too many rules and regs lol Tims franchisees have higher margines. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 14 hours ago, Sksman said: How do you know it’s the contractors fault? Contractor builds to plans and specs provided. The government engineers approved the design and materials. If the government changed any item in engineering firms design then they assume responsibility. Engineering reports found that a combination of design and installation deficiencies of several key components caused the bridge to fail, severing a critical Trans-Canada Highway link. Improperly tightened bolts on one portion of the bridge snapped, causing the steel decking to lift about 60 centimetres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 https://globalnews.ca/news/3964367/daycare-cost-ontario-minimum-wage-hike/ The business owners need to just eat the increased operating expense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, 02sled said: https://globalnews.ca/news/3964367/daycare-cost-ontario-minimum-wage-hike/ The business owners need to just eat the increased operating expense... Brown will fix this, he is going to give 5-6k a year back to the parents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 hours ago, 02sled said: Engineering reports found that a combination of design and installation deficiencies of several key components caused the bridge to fail, severing a critical Trans-Canada Highway link. Improperly tightened bolts on one portion of the bridge snapped, causing the steel decking to lift about 60 centimetres. Engineering reports found that improperly tightened bolts caused a problem. Were they torqued too high? Too low? To the spec provided to contractor by bolt supplier or bridge designer? You have no idea and neither do I. Easy to blame before you see a sight and what goes into the work and testing on site before it is passed. But i do know one of my friends has been working on the bridge foundation pressure grouting under and around the bridge supports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Bridges seem to be an issue in Ontario https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/12/16/pickering-pedestrian-bridge-contractor-strikes-back-against-auditor-generals-report.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/british-construction-giant-carillion-collapses-putting-thousands-of-canadian-jobs-at-risk-1.3760417 Maybe I'll have to get a plow for the truck after all. I guess we can forget about the province getting the 100 million in fines paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pt3189 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 If shit goes side ways at Carillion we have to rely the Liberals to have a back up plan . Their lips were sealed today when asked what that might be. Hospitals and highways might get worse service then usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Pt3189 said: If shit goes side ways at Carillion we have to rely the Liberals to have a back up plan . Their lips were sealed today when asked what that might be. Hospitals and highways might get worse service then usual. this happens when you put your life in a corp. hands - huge amounts of money made We will see more and more of this in the coming years next contract comes in higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pt3189 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 The Carillion execs will be lining their pockets on the way out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: this happens when you put your life in a corp. hands - huge amounts of money made We will see more and more of this in the coming years next contract comes in higher Fucken moron. The company is bankrupt! Huge amounts of money made? please provide the proof know it all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sksman said: Fucken moron. The company is bankrupt! Huge amounts of money made? please provide the proof know it all! I've heard of people in different businesses bidding low on jobs, to get the work, but they barely make any money to break even. http://www.carillion.ca/about-us/our-history.aspx A few years ago we had never heard of them & the next thing you know they are everywhere. Overextended themselves perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, Sksman said: Fucken moron. The company is bankrupt! Huge amounts of money made? please provide the proof know it all! When you have 100's of government contracts yo have made tons of money no fuckng doubt about it. If you squander it and give it all to ceo's and share holders like SEARS did then you end up bankrupt. Except the big guys they walk away loaded - Start up again These guys in Britt wanted a government bailout to keep the gravy flowing - they are worse than Unions In Ontario they hold many job titles that are huge cash makers - look it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just because you have gov't contracts doesn't mean you're successful if you have to many useless whiteshirts. Look @ the clown in Canarvon. LCBO agency store & a gas station & still couldn't make a go of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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