toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 That’s what bargaining table is about. Hammer out a deal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, Dieseltech said: agreed . I also feel the government offer is not enough. they need to find a middle ground. I can’t believe they are only making 39 a yr, most must be renting or a shit load of immigrants who have 10 per household Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonehaven Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 My wife is an EA for a Special Needs class, everyday gets spit on, punched, kicked, hair pulled and changes 8-12 diapers a day.$1.79 raise in 11yrs. They deserve a raise but the Union is asking for a lot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 It’s not just a one of. If the government gives in to the amount. It’s like setting the hounds loose for the next bunch teachers that are at full rate in wage are making over a hundred grand, that’s without the other perks of the job the EA should be going after the union to pony up some of the shortfalls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, toslow said: It’s not just a one of. If the government gives in to the amount. It’s like setting the hounds loose for the next bunch teachers that are at full rate in wage are making over a hundred grand, that’s without the other perks of the job the EA should be going after the union to pony up some of the shortfalls As you said this all needs to be negotiated through legal and unobstructed collective bargaining at the table. Fords attempt to circumvent the process using the notwithstanding clause is inappropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 From what i understand ford was willing to stay at the table, I would do the same thing if they came at me with a ridiculous rate of increase. I would counter with a ridiculous small amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, toslow said: From what i understand ford was willing to stay at the table, I would do the same thing if they came at me with a ridiculous rate of increase. I would counter with a ridiculous small amount. cupe did not walk away from the table as Ford keeps insisting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 The mediator walked away saying they are to far apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, toslow said: The mediator walked away saying they are to far apart correct ,..... both sides need to be reasonable and negotiate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dieseltech said: correct ,..... both sides need to be reasonable and negotiate. The union isn't being reasonable, the parents just want their kids back. The funny thing is out of CUPE, the only person required to keep the schools open is the janitor, ie the guy who mops the floors. The reason being he's the only one who knows what knobs and buttons to press to keep the schools going. So much for higher education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, toslow said: I can’t believe they are only making 39 a yr, most must be renting or a shit load of immigrants who have 10 per household How much should say a hall monitor make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: How much should say a hall monitor make? That’s the problem they have, it’s not just a one shoe fits all. need to separate and figure the different skills of each set of jobs Then deal accordingly Edited November 7, 2022 by toslow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Maybe good news for the kids. What they've gone through the past two years is unforgivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSR Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: How much should say a hall monitor make? More than what ckf pays me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: The union isn't being reasonable, the parents just want their kids back. The funny thing is out of CUPE, the only person required to keep the schools open is the janitor, ie the guy who mops the floors. The reason being he's the only one who knows what knobs and buttons to press to keep the schools going. So much for higher education. that is quite a paintbrush you are using . There are EAs admin etc . all play a role in keeping the schools open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, HSR said: More than what ckf pays me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Dieseltech said: that is quite a paintbrush you are using . There are EAs admin etc . all play a role in keeping the schools open. No I mean without the janitor, they can't physically open the school cause nobody knows what to do in the mech/elec room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 hours ago, toslow said: Only if the union goes back to work, Doug won’t remove the bill unless they say they are off strike and no he didn’t bash employees for 10min. get a grip dude and try not to expand on things you see that are not real Actually he blamed them the entire news cast. When you state several times that "they are the most paid" "most bennies" ect over and over again as a talking point isn't really backing employees Doug Ford has never been a regular employee guy, you only have to look at his decal business he tried to run (into the ground) Glad things are moving and FORD needs to stop with the dictatorship shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Union needs to be realistic about its demands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, toslow said: Union needs to be realistic about its demands As I stated before I agree 11.7 percent is unrealistic . However govt. offer is equally unrealistic. Both sides need to show some flexibility Edited November 7, 2022 by Dieseltech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Union saying that doug folded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, toslow said: Union saying that doug folded Who cares ? Lets just get back to the table and negotiate a fair deal for all. This is no time for posturing. Edited November 7, 2022 by Dieseltech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dieseltech said: Who cares ? Lets just get back to the table and negotiate a fair deal for all. This is no time for posturing. I’m thinking 3.5 will be the offering an excepted point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, toslow said: I’m thinking 3.5 will be the offering an excepted point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I really do not know what the correct number should be . My feeling are that the collective bargaining process should be allowed to determine that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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