jdsky

So much for anyone hoping cat would lower prices for 24'. More than doo across the board. catalyst is $1K more? thunderwinder is $2K more? That sucks cuz no way in hell that fucking ancient 07' in our group, that is always in need of fuel, will get replaced for yet another year....

But all you read about in sledding forums is how they corner on rails. Derby weekend was a complete fucking shitshow with dipshits riding too fast and on the wrong side of the trail. My brother had someone run over a ski, my nephew was forced off the trail by dipshits on his side and an asswipe nearly slid into me coming around a corner too fast and on the wrong side. Would have hit me head on if I was not able to come to a complete stop.

Is there 100' of wire in a sled to begin with? Maybe that old style gauge requires 32 conductors to power it up.

I think we both ride in the North Woods region. I actually see far more heavyweights on their ultra-lightweight two smokers. I cannot remember the last time I even came across a thunderwinder when riding and we saw an absolute shit ton of sleds during derby week this year. By far Poos sales have been really strong the past couple of seasons and starting to see almost as many poos as doos on the trails. When we come across cats the majority are ancient vintage 90's shit and of course we still have an 07' in our group as the 06' was finally retired after last season.

The miss for me with the thunderwinder was not just the difference in weight but where it sits in the chassis and how the sled feels and handles. The G4 wide was designed around and for the engine. Not so much for the procross and the yamaha engine and it's evident riding both of them back to back. What I would be most interested in from cat is a catalyst chassis purpose built for the yamaha engine. That's an opportunity but not sure it will ever happen.

Not that anyone reallly gives a shit but the thunderwinder is not lighter than the mach z. Here is the results of the weigh in done for the 2022 shootout krom referenced. From the SnowGoer article: However, the Mach Z weighed about 30 pounds less than the EPS-equipped Thundercat when the sleds were scaled in – the TCat weighed 645 pounds when carrying 4 gallons of fuel while the Mach Z was at 620 with 5 gallons. Knowing that gas weighs about 6.1 pounds per gallon, the difference is about 31 pounds. So, if you delete 4 gallons of gas from the thunderwinder you get 620.4lbs. Now delete the engine oil, approx. 8lbs and it comes in at 612lbs.

I would agree that 20-40lbs is not that noticeable. 70lbs or more? Definitely noticeable. It also has a lot to do with where that weight is. I went from a 530lb 1200 to a 540lb 900 but the sled handles and feels lighter because of how much more balanced the package is and where the weight is centered.

Dry weights are the only way to compare apples to apples. The thunderwinder is what it is. The heaviest four stroke trail sled on the market and at least 70lbs more than my 20' XRS. It was noticeable when I test rode a winder at my dealer. But again I really don't care because it is what it is and everyone wants what they want when spending a shit ton of cash these days. One primary point in my post being that if cat's sleds were all lighter than the competition you bet your ass they would be publishing them in the spec sheets and that marketing dude from Atlanta, GA would be putting up billboards everywhere declaring that advantage. They don't because there isn't one. If the catalyst changes that and ends up being significantly lighter than the competition I am sure it will be talked about everywhere. So far saying it is 10% lighter than a procross is not really saying much unless you are riding a procross.

Actually every once in awhile you come across internet gold. This place has more of it than any other site. That photo of cats new gauge checks all the boxes....

This race must not have any turns or rough terrain that would cause a chassis to fold up.....

Who the fuck cares what sleds weighed back in 2012? A fucking thunderwinder clocked in at 603lbs dry in 2022. How about what sleds actually weigh today? 2022 ZR6000 w/ E-start and ATAC - 512lbs 2022 ZR6000 R-XC No E-start - 487lbs 2024 Doo XRS 600R with Competition Package and SHOT - 470lbs - How do I know? Because at least Doo posts the fucking weights on the spec sheet.

I have wondered what the fuck is up with that little seat? Maybe cat guys are getting smaller in their old age. Maybe that is where they were able to shave so much of the weight off the thing compared to the old chassis.

If I had your phone I wouldn't take it sledding either....

He is actually. He chats with himself on arctic insider.....

Snowmobilers will kill the sport long before the ice melts. I think if we manufactured a few billion more batteries the ice should start to recover.

Yep, just more evidence of shitty maintenance. I haven't pulled over a Doo since well, never pulled over a Doo. Even my fucking 2005 had e-start and it started every fucking time for like more than a decade.

Can't flood california fast enough.

Shitty maintenance = shitty running sleds. Have yet to see a single sled in our group not start in over a decade and down to -40F mornings. Well, there was an 06' 700 sabre cat that did not want to start one cold morning but again - total lack of maintenance.

It's far easier to list what will happen. Cat - everyone has already known for the last half year Poo - Larger display, new colors, BNG's Yamaha - who cares it's all on a completely irrelevant and obsolete chassis but their colors and graphics will still be better than anything cat launches.

I have a multi-line dealer that sells Yamaha. He sold none of them last season. Sells a lot of their outboard motors though.

The website requires at least 3 working brain cells to configure a machine. The issue is with supply chain due to a scamdemic not because of options and just because you want one model in one color does not mean every other buyer wants that.

So only 2X the number of catalysts that will be built and shipped in 23'.

Definitely but this a first for publicly throwing up a dyno chart vs the competition. According to turbo experts here it's impossible for the sled to be making more HP with a tiny turbo and next to no boost.....

So, if the doo only has 3lbs of boost and making 180HP, what's the poo boost doing? Hard to believe BRP dyno'd the competition.....

Not bad considering a Sena in helmet system starts at $350. That's US dollars. My Oxygen was $650 US. Added my U-Clear that was $250 and I guess I have $900 in that setup but it works down to -40F and stays ice/fog free. I won't be going back to anything with an internal breath box ever again.