Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 3, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Actually I found some of these statistics a bit surprising. Of the worst 20 only 2 will now have occurred in the US. Without question there is one major common denominator. "Radical" Islam. https://crimeresearch.org/2017/01/with-39-killed-in-tunisia-attack-the-top-three-mass-public-shootings-are-outside-the-united-states/ The attacks have apparently been increasing over time, though part of that is the explosion in Africa from 2012 on. Since 2012, 83% of all the mass public shoot where at least 15 people have died have occurred in Africa. Prior to 2012, such attacks in Africa reportedly made up zero percent of the attacks. Given the little news coverage given to recent mass shootings in Africa, it raises the possibility that we are simply missing earlier attacks in Africa. As the bombings in Brussels (35 dead) Pakistan (over 70 dead) over the last week have illustrated, there are many ways to kill people. A comparable number of people died in either of those attacks as the most deadly mass public shooting in the US (49 dead). The worst public mass shooting is as follows: 1) Gamboru and Ngala in Borno State, Nigeria, May 5 and 6, 2014: Boko Haram Islamic militants killed more than 300 residents. 2) Borno massacre, in Konduga, Borno State, on May 7, 2014: Boko Haram Islamic militants killed at least 200 Christian villagers. Several others were injured. 3) Peshawar, Pakistan, December 16, 2014: A public school attack by seven gunmen affiliated with the Tehrik-i-Taliban (TTP or the “Pakistani Taliban”), an Islamic group, killing 148 and wounding 114 more. 4) University College Campus of Garissa, in northeastern Kenya, April 2, 2015: Al-Shabaab, an Al-Qaeda offshoot, took responsibility for the attack where 147 people were killed. 5) Paris, France, November 14, 2015: Three teams of extremists carried out the coordinated gun-and-suicide bombing attacks across Paris that left 130 people dead and 352 injured, a French prosecutor said Saturday. ISIS attack. 6) Konduga, Borno State, Nigeria on February 14, 2014: Boko Haram Islamic militants killed at least 121 Christian villagers. 7) Izghe, Borno State, Nigeria, February 15, 2014: Boko Haram Islamic militants killed 105 men and 1 elderly woman 8) Mumbai, India, November 26th to 29th, 2008: The Islamic terror group based in Pakistan named Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of the Pure) killed 164 and wounded 308. On the first day where just deaths by shooting occurred there were at least 68 people killed in two of the targets (the Rail Terminus (58) and the Leopold Cafe (at least 10)). Those deaths by itself would by themselves rank this as the 7th worst attack. Even just the deaths at the Rail Terminus would put it in the top 10. Most of the 30 deaths at the Oberoi Trident Hotel appear to have also been due to shootings, but while some of the deaths clearly occurred on the first day, it is unclear what that total is. Similarly, it appears that 3 staff members at the luxury Taj Mahal hotel were immediately shot dead, but the rest of the deaths and the exact day of the deaths isn’t clear. Adding the three staff deaths would raise the total here to 71. There were other deaths that aren’t included in this total, such as the crew killed on the hijacked Indian fishing trawler the “Kuber.” 9) Manili, Philippines, June 19, 1971: 70 Muslims inside a mosque were killed in Barrio Manili, Carmen, in North Cotabato. By having been an attack by a Christian militant group, the Illegals, in retaliation for the burning of the home of Christians. 10) Utoya, Norway, July 22, 2011: Anders Behring Breivik used a gun to kill 67 people and wound 110 others. Still, others were killed by bombs that Breivik detonated. 11) Nairobi, Kenya, September 21, 2013: the Islamic terrorist group Al-Shabaab killing 63 victims and wounding 175 at the Westgate shopping mall shooting. 12) Yobe State, Nigeria, February 25, 2014: 59 boys were killed by Boko Haram Islamists at the Federal Government College of Buni Yadi. The boys were separated from the girls and the young girls were told to get married at a very early age. 13) Maguindanao, Mindanao, Philippines, November 23, 2009: Andal Ampatuan, Jr. and his clan (a “leading Muslim political clan“) attacked Esmael Mangudadatu’s family members and supporters, and accompanying journalists. 57 killed (34 were journalists) and at least 4 wounded. The victims were on their way to file a certificate of candidacy for Esmael Mangudadatu, vice mayor of Buluan town, they were kidnapped and killed. The Philippines classifies this as a terrorist attack. 14) Ipil, Philippines, April 3, 1995: The Islamic Command Council fired on residents and took hostages. 53 civilians killed. The Philippines classifies this as a terrorist attack. 15) Gujba, Yobe State, Nigeria, September 29, 2013: gunmen from the Islamic group Boko Haram entered the male dormitory in the College of Agriculture and killed “as many as 50 dead.” Most of the dead were Muslim college students. 16) Orlando, Florida, USA, June 12, 2016: Attack occurred at the Pulse nightclub by an American-born man who’d pledged allegiance to ISIS. The attack left 49 people killed, 53 wounded. 17) Karachi, Pakistan, May 13, 2015: The Islamic terrorist group called Jundallah attacked a bus full of local citizens who were on their way to work, school and shopping. The Jundallah are associated with the Pakistan Taliban. More than 45 people were killed and several dozen were wounded. 18) Mamudo, Yobe State, Nigeria, July 6, 2013: Islamic group Boko Haram killed 42 children and teachers at a boarding school. 19) Parade Lane, Rawalpindi, Pakistan, December 4, 2009: At least Muslim gunmen stormed a Mosque, killing at least 40 and wounding 80. 20) Istanbul, Turkey, January 1, 2017: Shortly after midnight at Istanbul’s Reina nightclub at least 39 killed, 68 wounded. First person killed in the attack was the police officer who was guarding the club. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack. 21) Sousse, Tunisia, June 26, 2015: Seifeddine Rezgui, a college student, used a gun to kill 39 people at a crowded tourist beach resort at the Imperial Marhaba Hotel. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack. 22) Kobin, Nigeria, June 23, 2014: Gunmen from the Boko Haram Islamic terrorist group group killed 38 people in an evening attack on civilians in the village. 23) Kaduna State, Nigeria, during a four-hour period starting at 10 PM on Monday, June 23, 2014: The group Boko Haram attacked civilians in two neighboring villages, killing 38 people. 24) Chittisinghpura, India, March 18, 2000: Five members of the Islamic terror group named Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of the Pure) killed 36 Sikhs. 25) Kabamu, Nigeria, June 23, 2014: Gunmen from the Boko Haram Islamic terrorist group killed 36 people in an evening attack on civilians in the village. 26) Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia, April 28 and 29, 1996: Martin Bryant killed 35 people and wounded another 23 at a popular tourist site, the historic Port Arthur former prison colony. 27) Rome, Italy, December 17, 1973: 33 killed and 20+ injured. Black September Terrorists (a Palestinian terrorist organization) attacked airport and airplane. 28) Blacksburg, Virginia, USA, April 16, 2007: Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people and wounded 17 by gun fire at Virginia Tech University. 29) Gujarat, India, September 24 and 25 2002: Two terrorists attacked the Akshardham temple complex and killed 31 people and wounded 80 others by using automatic weapons and hand grenades 30) Hebron, Israel, February 25, 1994: Baruch Goldstein killed 29 and wounded 125 Muslim worshippers in an attack on the Cave of the Patriarchs. 31) Cairo, Egypt, May 26, 2017: ISIS claimed credit for killing 29 Coptic Christians in the south of Cairo early on Friday, May 26th. 32) Jammu, India, July 22, 2002: Islamic militants killed 27 Hindus and injured at least 30 others, some critically 33) Lod Airport outside Tel Aviv, Israel, May 30, 1972: three members of the Japanese Red Army attacked Lod airport (now Ben Gurion International Airport) near Tel Aviv, killing 26 people and injuring 80 others. “The operation was planned and supported by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.” In this case, Muslims didn’t pull the triggers, but they were involved in committing this attack. Indeed, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine recruited the Japanese Red Army to do the attack and when a prisoner swap was eventually done it was worked out between Israel and the PFLP. 34) Ganjidori, Pakistan, September 20, 2011: The Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, a Sunni extremist group, designated as a terrorist group by the Pakistan government, stopped a passenger bus carrying 45 people. Only those who were Hazaras, a group of people who are primarily Shia, were asked to step out of the bus. 26 people were killed and three were wounded. 35) Newtown, Connecticut, USA, December 14, 2012: 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed 26 people at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. 36) Killeen, Texas, USA, October 16, 1991: George Hennard crashed his pickup truck into the plate glass windows of the Luby Cafeteria and then shot 23 people to death. 27 wounded. 37) Dogon-Daji, Nigeria, June 23, 2014: Gunmen from the Boko Haram Islamic terrorist group killed 21 people in an evening attack on civilians in the village. 38) San Ysidro, California, USA July 18, 1984: James Huberty shot and killed 21 people and wounded another 19 at a McDonald’s restaurant. 39) Talipao, Sulu, Philippines, July 28, 2014: 21 people killed in an attack by terrorists on a convoy traveling to a feast to mark the end of Ramadan. An unknown number of people were wounded. The attack was conducted by the Abu Sayyaf, one of the smallest and most violent jihadist groups in the southern Philippines. 40) Bamako, Mali, November 20, 2015: Siege at the Radisson hotel, a luxury hotel, in the capital Bamako that left 20 people dead 41) Uri, Baramulla district, Jammu and Kashmir, India, September 18, 2016: Four heavily armed terrorists attacked a town of Uri in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. It was “the deadliest attack on security forces in Kashmir in two decades.” 19 victims and at least 30 wounded. 42) Otite, Kogi State, Nigeria, August 7, 2012: Three Islamic terrorists attacked the Deeper Life Bible Church killing 19 people and wounding an unknown number of others. 43) Erfurt, Germany, April 26, 2002: Robert Steinhäuser, a recent graduate of the Gutenberg-Gymnasium in Erfurt, Germany, killed 18 people. 44) Near Stirling, Scotland, UK, March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton killed 17 people at the Dunblane Primary School. 45) Rome, Italy, December 27, 1985: 16 killed and 99 injured. Abu Nidal Organization attacked the ticket counter for Israel’s El Al Airlines. 46) Popular Ivory Coast beach resort, March 13, 2016: 16 people shot to death in an Islamic terrorist attack at the Etoile du Sud, a hotel popular with Westerners. The attack was probably directed at Americans who were traveling in the area. 47) Adan, Yemen, March 5, 2016: Gunmen kill 16 at a retirement home, handcuffing victims and shooting them in the head. Islamic State group and Yemen’s al-Qaida affiliate suspected. 48) Hungerford, UK, August 19, 1987: Michael Robert Ryan killed 16 people, but they occurred at several locations. 49) Naidu, Nigeria, June 23, 2014: Gunmen from the Boko Haram Islamic terrorist group killed 16 people in an evening attack on civilians in the village. 50) São Gonçalo do Amarante, Natal, Brazil, May 21, 1997: Genildo Ferreira Do Francais killed 15 people in a small northern Brazilian town. 51) Winnenden, Germany, March 11, 2009: 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer 15 killed at the Winnenden School. Other cases: Montreal, Quebec, Canada had 14 people killed and another 14 injured in a shooting at the École Polytechnique on December 6, 1989. San Bernardino, California on December 2, 2015 had 14 killed and 22 wounded in a terrorist attack at the Inland Regional Center (Islamic related). The Zug Switzerland shooting left 14 people killed on September 27, 2001. The 1966 University of Texas shooting left 14 people dead (wife and mother were killed through other means). Edmond, Oklahoma shooting at a post office left 14 people killed on August 20, 1986. Honduras, November 25, 2015: “Two massacres that killed 15 people in less than 12 hours rocked Honduras and left the country’s top cop in tears on Wednesday. Police say seven were shot in the capital of Tegucigalpa early Wednesday, while eight bus drivers were killed in the northern city of San Pedro Sula late Tuesday.” Cases to include in the next UPDATE: Here are some other very recent attacks that didn’t involve shootings. Nice, France, July 14, 2016: 86 people killed by Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France, who deliberately drove a 19-tonne cargo truck into crowds. Istanbul, Turkey, December 11, 2016, at 11 PM: at twin bombings at a heavily attended soccer game at Besiktas Vodafone Arena in Istanbul that killed at least 44 people, mostly police officers, and wounded 155 others. Berlin, Germany, December 19, 2016: A truck was deliberately driven into the Christmas market beside Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church at Breitscheidplatz in Berlin. 12 people were killed and another 56 others injured. The perpetrator was Anis Amri, a Tunisian, who was an Islamic extremist. UPDATE: Woo Bum-kon killed 56 people over two days in South Korea (April 26-27, 1982). It is hard to include him in the above list because there was no large number of people killed in any one single public place, but instead, he would kill one or two people in a lot of different public places. He also used grenades to kill people. Other cases: The Zug Switzerland shooting left 14 people killed on September 27, 2001. The 1966 University of Texas shooting left 14 people dead (wife and mother were killed through other means). Edmond, Oklahoma shooting at a post office left 14 people killed on August 20, 1986. Nigeria. Given that these were attacks by Islamic militants purely against civilians, they are classified as terrorist attacks. Philippines. Unclear cases. Digos, Davao Del Sur, Philippines, June 25, 1989: 39 people, many of them children, were mercilessly gunned-down by the communist New People’s Army (CPP-NPA) rebels while they were attending a Sunday mass. This appears to be a battle over sovereignty. Israel. Given that most of these attacks were conducted by Palestinians, one could argue that these were attacks over sovereignty. Above we have only included one attack by the Red Japanese Army against Israel. Netiv Meir School in Ma’a lot, Israel, May 15, 1974: Terrorists from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine opened fire at an elementary school in a series of attacks that killed 25 people at the school and wounded 70 others (see also). Solomon Islands. An interesting case since the country had a very strict gun ban. 10 people were shot to death by the Guadalcanal Liberation Front (GLF), an Islamic organization, on June 8, 2002. In April 2002, six Melanesian Brothers, who were Christian and working with the Catholic church, murdered by the Islamic Guadalcanal Liberation Front. November 12, 2000: four people were shot and killed by Bougainvilleans at the Gizo Hotel. These cases were only possible to obtain because of a history of the period put together by the Solomon Islands “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” that looked at events in the islands from 1998 to 2003. Even assuming that these were the only mass public shootings over the years from 1998 through 2015, with a population that averages 490,000 over this period comes to an annual rate of deaths from mass public shootings of 2.27 per million people. Russian cases: Besides the Beslan School siege, the other four cases all involved the Chechen wars (1995 Samashki Massacre, 2000 Novye Aidi massacre, 1999 Staropromyslovski massacre, 1999 Grozny refugee convoy). Three of these cases allegedly involved Russian police doing the killings. See “Russia Condemned for Chechnya Killings,” Human Rights Watch, October 12, 2006; “Civilian Killings in Staropromyslovski District of Grozny,” Human Rights Watch, February 1, 2000; Major Gregory Celestan, “Wounded Bear: The Ongoing Russian Military Operation in Chechnyas,” Global Security.org, August 1996; Michael Wines, “New Reports Back Claims of Attack on Chechen Refugee Convoy,” New York Times, December 5, 1999. UPDATE: Woo Bum-kon killed 56 people a over two days in South Korea (April 26-27, 1982). It is hard to include him in the above list because there was no large number of people killed in any one single public place, but instead he would kill one or two people in a lot of different public places. He also used grenades to kill people. A list of terrorist attacks in Europe since 1970 is available here. Also here is a report from the NYPD, though it does not claim to be comprehensive. Edited October 3, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Not a single comment, I'm shocked. I was a few few blocks away when number 36 happened. Never went there as it was a bit more expensive for this young enlisted kid to afford at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snatchslayer Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 At least Canada had an honorable mention. Was starting to feel left out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 3, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, xcr700 said: At least Canada had an honorable mention. Was starting to feel left out Where are the other Canadian experts to explain this to us rubes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 16 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Where are the other Canadian experts to explain this to us rubes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Here's the list if you remove all the attacks perpetrated by a group of militants or terrorists and only count lone gunmen... 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 all go to the US while only 2 lone gunmen were Muslim. 1) Norway, Brevik, 67 2) Las Vegas, Paddock, 59 3) Orlando, Mateen, 49 4) Tunisia, Rezgui, 39 5) Australia, Bryant, 35 6) Israel, Goldstien, 29 7) Connecticut, Lanza, 26 8) Texas, Hennard, 23 9) California, Huberty, 21 10) Germany, Steinhauser, 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Where are the other Canadian experts to explain this to us rubes? 9 minutes ago, xcr700 said: At least Canada had an honorable mention. Was starting to feel left out 2 hours ago, bussman said: Not a single comment, I'm shocked. I was a few few blocks away when number 36 happened. Never went there as it was a bit more expensive for this young enlisted kid to afford at the time. I just saw this, can't comment t on why others haven't posted but it's apparent there are some startling realities to decifer from that list. Let me break it down for you Pathetic fucking idiots: 1. It is clear the USA has more in common with 3rd world shit holes and middle Eastern war zones than the rest of the modern world. Looking at how many times Kenya, Pakistan, Nigeria and India are listed along with USA is telling. Try to figure it out. There are a few high profile USA shootings that didn't seem to make the list either, namely the Dylan Roof event. Maybe not enough body count? Vegas isn't there... 2. The Scotland shooting was an epic turning point for gun violence in the UK. Over 750,000 signatures from the public demanded more restrictions on gun ownership and they got it. There hasn't been a significant shooting since. Go figure 3. The ecole Polytechnic shooting in Montreal was also a turning point for gun violence in Canada with bill c-68 "the firearms act" passed a few years later. Similarly nothing as serious since and even a later school shooting in Montreal at Dawson college likely was limited in seriousness due to those very gun laws (1 dead). Carry on dummies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Where are the other Canadian experts to explain this to us rubes? Is that Frenchy on the left, Spin Joe on the right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Killer said: I just saw this, can't comment t on why others haven't posted but it's apparent there are some startling realities to decifer from that list. Let me break it down for you Pathetic fucking idiots: 1. It is clear the USA has more in common with 3rd world shit holes and middle Eastern war zones than the rest of the modern world. Looking at how many times Kenya, Pakistan, Nigeria and India are listed along with USA is telling. Try to figure it out. There are a few high profile USA shootings that didn't seem to make the list either, namely the Dylan Roof event. Maybe not enough body count? Vegas isn't there... 2. The Scotland shooting was an epic turning point for gun violence in the UK. Over 750,000 signatures from the public demanded more restrictions on gun ownership and they got it. There hasn't been a significant shooting since. Go figure 3. The ecole Polytechnic shooting in Montreal was also a turning point for gun violence in Canada with bill c-68 "the firearms act" passed a few years later. Similarly nothing as serious since and even a later school shooting in Montreal at Dawson college likely was limited in seriousness due to those very gun laws (1 dead). Carry on dummies Once I read "pathetic fucking idiots" I quit reading. Go fuck yourself you pompous asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 4, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, BEANPOLE DAVE said: 1 minute ago, bussman said: Is that Frenchy on the left, Spin Joe on the right? Settle down Beanpole and I was thinking Frenchy and Wartcock but spinvag is so much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 4, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just now, bussman said: Once I read "pathetic fucking idiots" I quit reading. Go fuck yourself you pompous asshole. He and Lee have a lot in common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just now, Biggie Smails said: Settle down Beanpole and I was thinking Frenchy and Wartcock but spinvag is so much better! Frenchies back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snatchslayer Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 36 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Where are the other Canadian experts to explain this to us rubes? I know those 2 in the photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 4, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, BEANPOLE DAVE said: Frenchies back? No I inadvertently combined here and next door....Frenchy, Wartcock, Lee and some other sanctimonious Canucks are over there lecturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 4, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, xcr700 said: I know those 2 in the photo Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, xcr700 said: I know those 2 in the photo Well I've met Frenchy so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snatchslayer Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Seriously? No 2 minutes ago, bussman said: Well I've met Frenchy so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snatchslayer Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Seriously? No 4 minutes ago, bussman said: Well I've met Frenchy so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 59 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Here's the list if you remove all the attacks perpetrated by a group of militants or terrorists and only count lone gunmen... 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 all go to the US while only 2 lone gunmen were Muslim. 1) Norway, Brevik, 67 2) Las Vegas, Paddock, 59 3) Orlando, Mateen, 49 4) Tunisia, Rezgui, 39 5) Australia, Bryant, 35 6) Israel, Goldstien, 29 7) Connecticut, Lanza, 26 8) Texas, Hennard, 23 9) California, Huberty, 21 10) Germany, Steinhauser, 18 1/15 of the world’s population and 5 out of 10 lone nut attacks world wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just now, ActionfigureJoe said: 1/15 of the world’s population and 5 out of 10 lone nut attacks world wide. We have the most golf courses too so it all evens out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, bussman said: We have the most golf courses too so it all evens out. we also consume 85% of psych meds mfg in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just now, ActionfigureJoe said: we also consume 85% of psych meds mfg in the world. I don't take golf quite so serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, bussman said: I don't take golf quite so serious. golf is nothing more than an excuse to lie, cheat, and curse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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