Falsified Votes Elected Dump.....

[AKIQPilot]

4 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

The DNC and Mueller investigation are two completely different issues....only a completely delusional Dump supporter continues to try and compare the two.  SBYL supporting Dump  

What an idiot. 

[SnowRider]

5 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

What an idiot. 

 The Alaskan Homophobe says what...  

[ICEMAN!]

23 minutes ago, f7ben said:

No they are the same issue.....both seek to make Russia the boogeyman for some action that the elites here in Washington didnt like.

A. Election of Trump

B. Leaks of DNC emails 

"Elites in Washington"

 

[f7ben]

5 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

"Elites in Washington"

 

You are a dumb motherfucker ......real dumb

[ICEMAN!]

28 minutes ago, f7ben said:

You are a dumb motherfucker ......real dumb

Who are these "elites in Washington" that you seem to think control everything?

[Momorider]

12 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

Who are these "elites in Washington" that you seem to think control everything?

The illuminati  

[ICEMAN!]

3 minutes ago, Momorider said:

The illuminati  

 

[f7ben]

40 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

Who are these "elites in Washington" that you seem to think control everything?

The billionaires who's lobbyists procure policy from the politicians they put in place ....also the power brokers that have entrenched themselves there for decades.

You'd have to be one dumb motherfucker to think that someone else wasnt pulling the strings when we end up with the same exact policy regardless of who gets elected.

I'd bet you are that dumb motherfucker that believes that shit though 

Edited June 25, 2017 by f7ben

[ICEMAN!]

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

The billionaires who's lobbyists procure policy from the politicians they put in place ....also the power brokers that have entrenched themselves there for decades.

You'd have to be one dumb motherfucker to think that someone else wasnt pulling the strings when we end up with the same exact policy regardless of who gets elected.

I'd bet you are that dumb motherfucker that believes that shit though 

So billionaires don't want Trump to be President?

Is that why his government is made up of the most billionaires ever and has the highest net worth?

 

[f7ben]

Just now, ICEMAN! said:

So billionaires don't want Trump to be President?

Is that why his government is made up of the most billionaires ever and has the highest net worth?

 

Many billionaires opposed Trump and spent a ton to prevent him from winning. Like the Koch's ......and just because they are in his government does not mean they didnt work against him with their dollars and their back room deals. 

[ICEMAN!]

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

Many billionaires opposed Trump and spent a ton to prevent him from winning. Like the Koch's ......and just because they are in his government does not mean they didnt work against him with their dollars and their back room deals. 

Trump's policies will overwhelmingly benefit the top 1% so I'm not buying that they didn't want him to win.

[f7ben]

18 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

Trump's policies will overwhelmingly benefit the top 1% so I'm not buying that they didn't want him to win.

For sure ....but so did Obama's and most presidents before him. The Elites did not want Trump because he's an idiot and a loose cannon who they can't control with their money. Obviously there are other ways to control him.

Ask yourself how Obama was some progressive miracle candidate and he ended up dropping 3 bombs an hour for 8 straight years?????

 

 

[ICEMAN!]

7 minutes ago, f7ben said:

For sure ....but so did Obama's and most presidents before him. The Elites did not want Trump because he's an idiot and a loose cannon who they can't control with their money. Obviously there are other ways to control him.

Ask yourself how Obama was some progressive miracle candidate and he ended up dropping 3 bombs an hour for 8 straight years?????

 

 

Just because someone is a progressive doesn't mean they inhabit some other reality.  Obama had to deal with the situation as it was at the time as would any President.

To suggest there is a group of "elites" in Washington behind a curtain controlling everything is silly.  

There IS money on both sides of the political spectrum and they use it to influence politicians by donating to campaigns etc.  This isn't news, but it is a huge problem.  

There ISN'T some kind of shadow government in Washington run by "elites" that hides in the shadows controlling everything.

 

[f7ben]

2 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

Just because someone is a progressive doesn't mean they inhabit some other reality.  Obama had to deal with the situation as it was at the time as would any President.

To suggest there is a group of "elites" in Washington behind a curtain controlling everything is silly.  

There IS money on both sides of the political spectrum and they use it to influence politicians by donating to campaigns etc.  This isn't news, but it is a huge problem.  

There ISN'T some kind of shadow government in Washington run by "elites" that hides in the shadows controlling everything.

 

I disagree .....the intelligence community answers to no one and violates the rights of americans at will ......the MIC answers to no one and starts wars as they see fit and makes sure we are involved in perpetual conflict. There is a reason our foreign policy never changes 

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By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Monday, June 19, 2017

A research group in New Jersey has taken a fresh look at postelection polling data and concluded that the number of noncitizens voting illegally in U.S. elections is likely far greater than previous estimates.

As many as 5.7 million noncitizens may have voted in the 2008 election, which put Barack Obama in the White House.

The research organization Just Facts, a widely cited, independent think tank led by self-described conservatives and libertarians, revealed its number-crunching in a report on national immigration.

 

Just Facts President James D. Agresti and his team looked at data from an extensive Harvard/YouGov study that every two years questions a sample size of tens of thousands of voters. Some acknowledge they are noncitizens and are thus ineligible to vote.

Just Facts’ conclusions confront both sides in the illegal voting debate: those who say it happens a lot and those who say the problem nonexistent.

In one camp, there are groundbreaking studies by professors at Old Dominion University in Virginia who attempted to compile scientifically derived illegal voting numbers using the Harvard data, called the Cooperative Congressional Election Study.

 

 

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On the other side are the professors who conducted the study and contended that “zero” noncitizens of about 18 million adults in the U.S. voted. The liberal mainstream media adopted this position and proclaimed the Old Dominion work was “debunked.”

The ODU professors, who stand by their work in the face of attacks from the left, concluded that in 2008 as few as 38,000 and as many as 2.8 million noncitizens voted.

Mr. Agresti’s analysis of the same polling data settled on much higher numbers. He estimated that as many as 7.9 million noncitizens were illegally registered that year and 594,000 to 5.7 million voted.

These numbers are more in line with the unverified estimates given by President Trump, who said the number of ballots cast by noncitizens was the reason he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton.

Last month, the president signed an executive order setting up a commission to try to find on-the-ground truth in illegal voting. Headed by Vice President Mike Pence, the panel also will look at outdated voter lists across the nation with names of dead people and multiple registrants.

For 2012, Just Facts said, 3.2 million to 5.6 million noncitizens were registered to vote and 1.2 million to 3.6 million of them voted.

Mr. Agresti lays out his reasoning in a series of complicated calculations, which he compares to U.S. Census Bureau figures for noncitizen residents. Polls show noncitizens vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

“The details are technical, but the figure I calculated is based on a more conservative margin of sampling error and a methodology that I consider to be more accurate,” Mr. Agresti told The Washington Times.

He believes the Harvard/YouGov researchers based their “zero” claim on two flawed assumptions. First, they assumed that people who said they voted and identified a candidate did not vote unless their names showed up in a database.

“This is illogical, because such databases are unlikely to verify voters who use fraudulent identities, and millions of noncitizens use them,” Mr. Agresti said.

He cites government audits that show large numbers of noncitizens use false IDs and Social Security numbers in order to function in the U.S., which could include voting.

Second, Harvard assumed that respondent citizens sometimes misidentified themselves as noncitizens but also concluded that noncitizens never misidentified themselves as citizens, Mr. Agresti said.

“This is irrational, because illegal immigrants often claim they are citizens in order to conceal the fact that they are in the U.S. illegally,” he said.

Some of the polled noncitizens denied they were registered to vote when publicly available databases show that they were, he said.

This conclusion, he said, is backed by the Harvard/YouGov study’s findings of consumer and vote data matches for 90 percent of participants but only 41 percent of noncitizen respondents.

As to why his numbers are higher than the besieged ODU professors’ study, Mr. Agresti said: “I calculated the margin of sampling error in a more cautious way to ensure greater confidence in the results, and I used a slightly different methodology that I think is more accurate.”

There is hard evidence outside of polling that noncitizens do vote. Conservative activists have conducted limited investigations in Maryland and Virginia that found thousands of aliens were registered.

These inquiries, such as comparing noncitizen jury pool rejections to voter rolls, captured just a snapshot. But conservatives say they show there is a much broader problem that a comprehensive probe by the Pence commission could uncover.

The Public Interest Legal Foundation, which fights voter fraud, released one of its most comprehensive reports last month.

Its investigation found that Virginia removed more than 5,500 noncitizens from voter lists, including 1,852 people who had cast more than 7,000 ballots. The people volunteered their status, most likely when acquiring driver’s licenses. The Public Interest Legal Foundation said there are likely many more illegal voters on Virginia’s rolls who have never admitted to being noncitizens.