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42 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

right we can rely on the church to educate kids kinda like they do with their pregnancy counselors whose sole job it is to talk people out of abortions.    

That does not chang tha fact that it is still available even if taxpayers do not finance it,

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8 hours ago, Sleepr2 said:

That does not chang tha fact that it is still available even if taxpayers do not finance it,

Health should be part of everyone's basic required Ed. An educated population is a benefit for all. 

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11 hours ago, Biggie Smails said:

Not big on the abortions either and sorry for the rockhead comment....IMO birth control needs to be easily accessible for men and women alike.

Agree, We do a terrible job educating males about birth control , STD's and taking personal responsibility  for our sexual actions, whether in a solid  relationship or out being a roaming  Tom cat.

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1 hour ago, Angry ginger said:

Health should be part of everyone's basic required Ed. An educated population is a benefit for all. 

That does not change the fact that it is available without government 

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12 hours ago, Sleepr2 said:

Not   having it financed by the taxpayers does not mean it's unavailable.

 

1 hour ago, Angry ginger said:

Health should be part of everyone's basic required Ed. An educated population is a benefit for all. 

Lack of Education is not the same as claiming it's not available 

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I love the rww cure-alls...

"they should know better". of course they should know better but guess what? the shit happens, regardless. like crimes. surely the bank robber, or the drunk driver, or the rapist "knew better". :handjob:

 

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14 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

I love the rww cure-alls...

"they should know better". of course they should know better but guess what? the shit happens, regardless. like crimes. surely the bank robber, or the drunk driver, or the rapist "knew better". :handjob:

 

Good analogy dummy. LMAO, society doesn't reward the bank robber, drunk driver or the rapist. 

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12 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

I love the rww cure-alls...

"they should know better". of course they should know better but guess what? the shit happens, regardless. like crimes. surely the bank robber, or the drunk driver, or the rapist "knew better". :handjob:

 

Dumbocrats like yourself want everybody to have a parachute so they can land soft. Poor choices by stupid people should not be solved by responsible taxpayers, it should be subject to charitable contributions or better yet let's make Dumbocrats pay for it since you believe in it so much.

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1 minute ago, snoughnut said:

Dumbocrats like yourself want everybody to have a parachute so they can land soft. Poor choices by stupid people should not be solved by responsible taxpayers, it should be subject to charitable contributions or better yet let's make Dumbocrats pay for it since you believe in it so much.

well guess what dumb ass? $100 of yours is going to support the unwanted pregnancy, when it could have cost you a dime to prevent it instead. brilliant.

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5 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Good analogy dummy. LMAO, society doesn't reward the bank robber, drunk driver or the rapist. 

it was an anology to the "they should know better" claim, not this incident itself. figures it went right over your head :lol:

 

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1 hour ago, snoughnut said:

Dumbocrats like yourself want everybody to have a parachute so they can land soft. Poor choices by stupid people should not be solved by responsible taxpayers, it should be subject to charitable contributions or better yet let's make Dumbocrats pay for it since you believe in it so much.

 

1 hour ago, snoughnut said:

Poor Schlinger, looking really stupid as usual. :lol:

Tossing insults does not make you smarter it actually lowers you from imbecile to moron status

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13 hours ago, Biggie Smails said:

Not big on the abortions either and sorry for the rockhead comment....IMO birth control needs to be easily accessible for men and women alike.

Rather than have a Muslim Studies class in high school, maby mandate health class like Jeff said.

Put condoms machines in every mensroom. And in the women's room to for Wildboer.

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2 minutes ago, Snake said:

Rather than have a Muslim Studies class in high school, maby mandate health class like Jeff said.

Put condoms machines in every mensroom. And in the women's room to for Wildboer.

:lol:

 

issue is the pubs want to fight basic common sense like giving out condoms in HS that and honestly PP,  what we spend on PP is relatively cheap for the services they provide to an underserved community.  

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

 

Tossing insults does not make you smarter it actually lowers you from imbecile to moron status

First of all, you are in the top 5 of complete imbecilic morons on this site, that's a fact. Second of all....:bigfinger:

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4 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

:lol:

 

issue is the pubs want to fight basic common sense like giving out condoms in HS that and honestly PP,  what we spend on PP is relatively cheap for the services they provide to an underserved community.  

 

 

 

 

Then they are fucking idiots.

I would prefer to not pay PP for abortions.

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Just now, Snake said:

Then they are fucking idiots.

I would prefer to not pay PP for abortions.

government doesn't pay PP for abortions even though financially it makes sense to in the long run.  Almost all the PP funding they get from the government is medicaid reimbursement for normal care and that is going to someone whether it's PP or another healthcare provider.  

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

government doesn't pay PP for abortions even though financially it makes sense to in the long run.  Almost all the PP funding they get from the government is medicaid reimbursement for normal care and that is going to someone whether it's PP or another healthcare provider.  

 

 

If an abortion is performed by PP, and the money for it comes from the government, regardless the channel, then tax dollars are paying for them.

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16 hours ago, Angry ginger said:

Well contrary to the right wing nut job PP is not paying for abortions with government money and even if they were it's the financially sound thing to do rather than spending tens of thousands a year in subsidy for the mother and kid when they are on welfare.  If pubs were truly fiscal conservatives they would embrace abortion clinics in every town in america and on every other street in the ghetto.  

 

 

If you can't afford a snowmobile and a rich uncle all of sudden gives you $25K which you use for other bills but now gives you enough of your "own money" to buy a snowmobile who is really paying for it?

The vast majority of abortions are African American and the clinics in AA communities yet conservatives want that to change.   Who is the racist group?  I honestly believe the push to legalize abortion by left is as racist as stance as you can have in America.  40% of abortion clinics are in non white communities.  Blacks make up less than 15% of the population.   

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/abortions-racial-gap/380251/

Abortion's Racial Gap

Even as the U.S. abortion rate is at its lowest since Roe v. Wade, women of color are five times as likely to terminate a pregnancy as their white counterparts. Why?

http://abort73.com/abortion/abortion_and_race/

By the latest count, approximately 2,614 human beings lose their lives to abortion each day in the United States.7 The CDC tells us that on average, 19% are Hispanic, 36% are black, and 37% are white.8 That translates to approximately 497 Hispanic children, 941 black children, and 967 white children. Think about those numbers. Though the white population in the U.S. outnumbers the black population five to one,10 abortion kills close to the same number of black children each day as it does white children. John Piper, a white pastor with a heart for racial justice, remarks on the disparity of abortion this way:

The de facto effect (I don’t call it the main cause, but net effect) of putting abortion clinics in the urban centers is that the abortion of Hispanic and Black babies is more than double their percentage of the population... Call this what you will—when the slaughter has an ethnic face and the percentages are double that of the white community and the killers are almost all white, something is going on here that ought to make the lovers of racial equality and racial harmony wake up.10

 

Conservatives want to help people who cannot help themselves.  Its not wrong, racist or insensitive to want people to be able to help themselves.   Its not wrong in any way to want fathers to be a part of kids lives and contribute to their lives.   Its not wrong in any way shape or form to want the unborn to have a chance.  Its not wrong or insensitive in any way for people to be responsible before they engage in sex and stop so many unwanted pregnancies.  

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9 minutes ago, Highmark said:

If you can't afford a snowmobile and a rich uncle all of sudden gives you $25K which you use for other bills but now gives you enough of your "own money" to buy a snowmobile who is really paying for it?

The vast majority of abortions are African American and the clinics in AA communities yet conservatives want that to change.   Who is the racist group?  I honestly believe the push to legalize abortion by left is as racist as stance as you can have in America.  40% of abortion clinics are in non white communities.  Blacks make up less than 15% of the population.   

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/abortions-racial-gap/380251/

Abortion's Racial Gap

Even as the U.S. abortion rate is at its lowest since Roe v. Wade, women of color are five times as likely to terminate a pregnancy as their white counterparts. Why?

Conservatives want to help people who cannot help themselves.  Its not wrong, racist or insensitive to want people to be able to help themselves.   Its not wrong in any way to want fathers to be a part of kids lives and contribute to their lives.   Its not wrong in any way shape or form to want the unborn to have a chance.  Its not wrong or insensitive in any way for people to be responsible before they engage in sex and stop so many unwanted pregnancies.  

Come on man.  This isn't about giving a toy to someone who can't afford or doesn't deserve it.  It's about preventing an unwanted child into this world.  A child who statistically will become a great burden on society throughout their life.  I'm not big on abortions but I think defunding PP just because of abortions is silly.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

Come on man.  This isn't about giving a toy to someone who can't afford or doesn't deserve it.  It's about preventing an unwanted child into this world.  A child who statistically will become a great burden on society throughout their life.  I'm not big on abortions but I think defunding PP just because of abortions is silly.

 

 

spot on.  

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40 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

Come on man.  This isn't about giving a toy to someone who can't afford or doesn't deserve it.  It's about preventing an unwanted child into this world.  A child who statistically will become a great burden on society throughout their life.  I'm not big on abortions but I think defunding PP just because of abortions is silly.

 

 

The comparison is valid.   Claiming PP doesn't use govt money for abortions is ridiculous.  Its all one pool of money.   I completely support PP and would want them to get more money if they didn't perform abortions.

There are a whole host of other issues abortion brings that outweigh the "burden" it somehow relieves.  The great society contributed to below but so did abortion.   Fathers not involved in a kids life is one of our nations biggest problems.   Abortions dramatically increased this.   

"Multiple studies document this change. From the early 1970s through the late 1980s, as abortion became more and more frequent, there was a tremendous increase in the rate of out-of-wedlock births, from an average of 5 percent (1965–69) to over 16 percent 20 years later (1985–1989). Among blacks, the number jumped from 35 percent to 62 percent. While not all of this rise can be attributed to liberalized abortion laws, they were certainly a key contributor."

As for the bold.  What political party of the 20th century does that sound like?  Should we kill the elderly or anyone else who needs govt help.  

There are statistics that show crime increased after Roe v. Wade.  Your assumption also assumes abortion is only done by "unwanted" or by mothers/families incapable of taking care of the child.  

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