Anler Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: Well state owned "resources" have worked out so well around the world. 1 minute ago, f7ben said: listen fuckhead .....we are not the arbiters of what has "worked out so well" around the world. That type of attitude is what costs us trillions of dollars and countless young lives all for no good reason. You can't acknowledge our transgressions and the many like you are the reasons we a doomed to repeat them perpetually until we exist no longer. I love how we are touted as the "Gold Standard" and everything else is "hasnt worked" yet we have the most debt, highest incarceration and not even in the top 10 for health care or education. Seems like we could do better and maybe some of the things we've been doing "hasnt worked" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Such a bootlicker. I promote getting out of basically every country around the world. I admit Iraq was a huge mistake. I'd like to see our military spending cut in half as long as vets and soldiers can still be well taken care of. I'd like to see our federal govt shrink in half. I'd like to see power going back to the states. Just because I don't completely agree with your notion of history doesn't mean shit. Have we been perfect....fuck no.....have countries benefited both economically and in general from our intervention. Yes. I just don't want to spend another life or dime doing it. 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: listen fuckhead .....we are not the arbiters of what has "worked out so well" around the world. That type of attitude is what costs us trillions of dollars and countless young lives all for no good reason. You can't acknowledge our transgressions and the many like you are the reasons we a doomed to repeat them perpetually until we exist no longer. Fuck dude, get back on your meds......please or put me on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Fuck dude, get back on your meds......please or put me on ignore. capitulation noted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, Anler said: I love how we are touted as the "Gold Standard" and everything else is "hasnt worked" yet we have the most debt, highest incarceration and not even in the top 10 for health care or education. Seems like we could do better and maybe some of the things we've been doing "hasnt worked" Anler the socialist? Anler the communist? Anler the Antifa? All the while owning a thriving construction business in this horrible, horrible country. Dude you are bi-polar as Ben. You come off with shit like this then in another thread are as racist as them come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, f7ben said: capitulation noted Hey man you turn in your guns yet? People on mental health meds shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: Anler the socialist? Anler the communist? Anler the Antifa? All the while owning a thriving construction business in this horrible, horrible country. Dude you are bi-polar as Ben. You come off with shit like this then in another thread are as racist as them come. Anler is a part time Libertarian. I thrive in my market because I am adaptable. When things change, I change. Being stubborn and cemented in your beliefs is not a quality anyone of great success embraces. And I dont hate my country, I hate things about it. Im like Trump, "I like to think of myself as flexible" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 3 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: In the form it currently takes it does. It has a voice and a means of being viable now. Of course it existed since Islam existed, but if you don't think we (the west, not just us) are one of the main factors fueling it, then you are fooling yourself. I've spent years with the angriest of sand folk... Pretty obvious what drives their reasons for radicalizing. Especially when they tell you why they shot up your COP or were laying IEDs. It wasn't because of internal country reasons... Do you think that the Talibans rise to power was not in response to foreign influencers occupying their land? Russia wanted Afghanistan for what purpose? Read your history momo. They produce Opium not Oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, Anler said: Anler is a part time Libertarian. I thrive in my market because I am adaptable. When things change, I change. Being stubborn and cemented in your beliefs is not a quality anyone of great success embraces. And I dont hate my country, I hate things about it. Im like Trump, "I like to think of myself as flexible" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, Highmark said: Hey man you turn in your guns yet? People on mental health meds shouldn't be allowed to own guns. I dont own any guns @@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, f7ben said: I dont own any guns @@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 26 minutes ago, Highmark said: I'm not saying they are pillars of society I'm ONLY proving there is benefit to both Countries. That is it. You and Ben act like we are stealing resources when its simply not true. Its up to their own people to decide if they want to sell internationally. If they want to overthrow who gains financially the most in those countries let them do it. We have stuck our nose in places all over the world. Some with good results some with not. We ignore human rights in places when claiming we are there to help in others. I wouldn't debate any of that. The only thing I'm saying is there is financial and economic gain for both countries. We don't "steal" resources. They benefit way more they don't know the first thing about developing their resources, they are Bipolarhooknose level stupid. If it wasn't for the west they would still be fucking camels and living in tents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Momorider said: They benefit way more they don't know the first thing about developing their resources, they are Bipolarhooknose level stupid. If it wasn't for the west they would still be fucking camels and living in tents no momo ...that is wrong. if you could comprehend anything more difficult than bullshitting emojis and Trump memes I would direct you to read the history of the Shaw of Iran and how/why he came to power. But alas , you are just to dull to educate yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, f7ben said: yes ....we enable the stealing of resources with our military. We are there to prevent any state owned control of those resources by countries that dont want our brand of help Didn't work out too well in Iran did it Bipolarhpooknose????? Britain developed their oil reserves then they tried to nationalized them so the US installed a puppet government which fell to Islamist radicals State owned and controlled everything now, just how you like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) IMHO we are somewhere in the middle of the big bad giant only out to steal resources and the protector and spreader of democracy for the good of mankind. We've fucked up sometimes with bad intentions sometimes with good intentions. What I've learned and come to believe no matter the reason, no matter the intention its not worth it in lives lost on all sides and the financial cost to be the worlds policeman. Countries and regions need to sort shit out on their own. Edited April 24, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: no momo ...that is wrong. if you could comprehend anything more difficult than bullshitting emojis and Trump memes I would direct you to read the history of the Shaw of Iran and how/why he came to power. But alas , you are just to dull to educate yourself Fuck you are one clueless sack of shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Anler said: No but there is over $1 trillion in minerals in the ground over there... Needed to go back to this. We spent billions helping Afg defeat the Soviet Union. Did it with money and no expectations of return in minerals or anything else. If we did post up some links. Did we fuck up when a power vacuum was left? That can be argued over and over again but the fact remains I don't see how we were doing it for their minerals or anything else. We wanted payback for Vietnam and to hurt the USSR financially. It worked. We disappeared from there until after 9/11. Edited April 24, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, Highmark said: Needed to go back to this. We spent billions helping Afg defeat the Soviet Union. Did it with money and no expectations of return in minerals or anything else. If we did post up some links. Did we fuck up when a power vacuum was left? That can be argued over and over again but the fact remains I don't see how we were doing it for their minerals or anything else. We wanted payback for Vietnam and to hurt the USSR financially. It worked. We disappeared from there until after 9/11. Power vacuum? We set up the Mujahideen and the Taliban in Afghanistan. We just didnt want the Soviets to get control of that stuff and we had no real cause to go in. HOw convenient that the guy we set up and trained to keep the Soviets out would come back and attach us and then we would have to go back and fight the people we were helping? 16 years ago and we are still there? In a country that hasnt attacked us and poses no threat to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Fuck my spelling is degrading to Ezra levels of stupid. This place is dragging me down man!!!1111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Power vacuum? We set up the Mujahideen and the Taliban in Afghanistan. We just didnt want the Soviets to get control of that stuff and we had no real cause to go in. HOw convenient that the guy we set up and trained to keep the Soviets out would come back and attach us and then we would have to go back and fight the people we were helping? 16 years ago and we are still there? In a country that hasnt attacked us and poses no threat to us. Maybe we didn't want the Soviets to get control but LIKE I SAID we weren't in there taking it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Fuck my spelling is degrading to Ezra levels of stupid. This place is dragging me down man!!!1111 Just settle down a smidge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Maybe we didn't want the Soviets to get control but LIKE I SAID we weren't in there taking it either. Now we are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Highmark said: Maybe we didn't want the Soviets to get control but LIKE I SAID we weren't in there taking it either. It was about the spread of Communism and that is all it was about, same as with Korea and Vietnam, don't let the Nazi Pig Dog and his alternative historical facts tell you otherwise Edited April 24, 2017 by Momorider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 spread of communion eh momo //////???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 24, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, Anler said: Now we are... Yes but even you have to admit there was some just cause there and much of the early ground fighting against the Taliban was done by the Northern Alliance with assistance from the CIA and US military (mainly special forces on the ground.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Momorider said: It was about the spread of Communion and that is all it was about, same as with Korea and Vietnam, don't let the Nazi Pig Dog and his alternative historical facts tell you otherwise So how many Americans did we send to fight and die so North Korea and Vietnam would not fall into Communism? Well that was a worth while endeavor, eh fuckstick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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