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1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

Believing people can't govern themselves means you're a statist

Our country started as people governing themselves and the founders knew the danger of too much centralized power. They did a brilliant job of protecting against it but they never could have predicted the last 100 years. Its time to re-evaluate 

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10 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Our country started as people governing themselves and the founders knew the danger of too much centralized power. They did a brilliant job of protecting against it but they never could have predicted the last 100 years. Its time to re-evaluate 

Yup. 

I'd like to see no unit of government larger than a county. That way it's very easy to dismantle if they get out of hand, and they can't do much damage in the meantime. 

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Just now, motonoggin said:

Yup. 

I'd like to see no unit of government larger than a county. That way it's very easy to dismantle if they get out of hand, and they can't do much damage in the meantime. 

for sure .....its easy for localities to deal with corruption when compared to the massive fed we have now

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13 hours ago, f7ben said:

Our country started as people governing themselves and the founders knew the danger of too much centralized power. They did a brilliant job of protecting against it but they never could have predicted the last 100 years. Its time to re-evaluate 

We eventually got hijacked by oligarchs who made us debt slaves. The system is really too big to change now. 

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Just now, Angry ginger said:

guess moto's ramblings are gaining converts SMH

Well lets see... Lets look at the last group of presidents and presidential candidates.. 

George H.W. Bush - Father was Prescott Bush, former US Senator

Al Gore - Former Vice President and US Senator. Father Al Gore Sr. Former US Congressman and US Senator. Presidential Candidate in 2000

William Jefferson Clinton - Former Arkansas Governor and US president. Husband to Hillary Clinton. Former US Secretary of State, First Lady and US Senator

George W. Bush - Former Governor of Texas. Son of former president George HW. Bush. Brother Jeb Bush. Former Florida Governor and Presidential Candidate.

Hillary R Clinton - Former First Lady, Secretary of State and US Senator. Presidential Candidate in 2008 and 2016.

Not hard to see reall. Surely youre not one of those minions who think republicans and democrats are fighting it out for freedom and justice are you? 

 

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Even US Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen, who is overseeing the continued handout of oceans of cash to the financial markets, felt compelled to warn of the “extent of and continuing increase in inequality in the United States.” She noted in remarks Friday, “By some estimates, income and wealth inequality are near their highest levels in the past hundred years, much higher than the average during that time span and probably higher than for much of American history before then.”

How can these vast changes in economic relationships not have had a profound and transformative impact on political life?

The historian Edward Gibbon once summed up the political form of the Roman Empire as “an absolute monarchy disguised by the forms of a commonwealth.” Taking our cue from his definition, we can say that the United States has become an oligarchy disguised by the outward, increasingly threadbare trappings of a democracy.


 

 

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