*****2016 Official NFL Thread*****

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Hall of Fame, Class of 2016: One thing to know about each guy

 

By now you've probably heard who is being enshrined into the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Saturday. You'll hear speeches that run into the night. You'll hear the howls of approximately 40 billion cheeseheads who've made the trek from Wisconsin. It should be a fun day -- especially if these NFL legends dive deep into their first dates, à la L.A.

While we look forward to Brett Favre's acceptance speech, what does his enshrinement -- along with those of Eddie DeBartolo Jr., Tony Dungy, Kevin Greene, Marvin Harrison, Orlando Pace, Ken Stabler and Dick Stanfel -- mean for everybody else (i.e., future Hall classes)? Much. Below is the butterfly effect from each person's entry into the big museum in Canton, as well as one thing you must know about his career.

Let's start with the headliner ...

Brett Favre, Quarterback, Falcons/Packers/Jets/Vikings

 

Most important thing about Favre: Toughness.

By now, you know all the highlights of Favre's career: the three MVP awards, the multitude of passing records set -- most of them broken by the guy in the Easy Like Peyton Mornings commercial (not Lionel Richie) -- and the various Favre-watches we all don't miss. While Favre won a Super Bowl and quarterbacked for 20 years, everyone points to his 297 consecutive starts streak (321 including the playoffs). But what is the embodiment of that record?

 

To me, it was one game at Texas Stadium in 1994. Early in the first half, Favre managed to get himself high-lowed by Charles Haley and Tony Tolbert. As John Madden was pointing out that Favre was "picking his stuff up" off the ground, the man was actually gathering himself ... enough to throw four touchdown passes by game's end. Up until that point, Week 13 of his fourth pro season, No. 4 had trouble calming himself down during games. Something set in with Favre on that Thanksgiving Day. From there on out, the guy was on fire, streaking through the back half of the '94 season, before winning league MVP in '95, '96 and '97. Although that Pack-'Boys bout is more famous for Jason Garrett coming off the bench to lead Dallas to a Turkey Day win, it is also a sparkling exhibit of Favre's iron man M.O.

What Favre's enshrinement means for everybody else: With Favre now in the Hall of Fame, it should be a bit easier for Kurt Warner to find his way in. Favre will be the first quarterback enshrined since 2006, and typically, no one class contains multiple QBs.

Kevin Greene, linebacker/defensive end, Rams/Steelers/Panthers/49ers

 

Most important thing about Greene: Production as an old man.

If you loved Third Eye Blind, "Baywatch" and Lilith Fair, man is this Class of 2016 for you. Favre, Greene and friends represent the '90s with authority. The thing about Greene, though, is that he was great for the entire decade and kept getting better -- as in, all the way until he was 37 years old. Greene owns the rare distinction of posting WAY more sacks in his 30s than he did in his 20s. In fact, 97.5 of his 160 career sacks came after he was supposed to slow down. Only Bruce Smith had more QB traps after 30. Greene racked up 12 in his final season, in 1999.

What Greene's enshrinement means for everybody else: Putting Greene in should cover all of the longstanding Hall of Fame accounting -- i.e., taking care of those guys who were finalists for years and years. This list included Tim Brown, Charles Haley, Will Shields and so on. This should mean that players like Morten Andersen and Terrell Davis, whose names have been kicked around, have at least one open slot.

Tony Dungy, head coach, Buccaneers/Colts

 

Most important thing about Dungy: Overall scope.

Too often, we take the micro view with coaches ... The amount of Super Bowls they won, their winning percentage and how long they were the front man for an organization. That's like forgetting Mario Lopez's time on "Saved by the Bell" -- you can't just think of him wearing sleeveless shirts on entertainment shows now. Dungy went to the postseason 11 times in his 13 seasons at the helm of the Bucs and Colts, becoming the first African-American head coach to win a Super Bowl (in his fifth year with Indy). But he was also an outstanding defensive coordinator for the Vikings, as well as DBs coach for the Steelers and Chiefs. Then you add on what he added to the Cover 2 defense of Bud Carson -- Dungy's coordinator while a player in Pittsburgh in the late '70s -- and you have a macro view of what a Hall of Fame career looks like.

What Dungy's enshrinement means for everybody else: In theory, Jimmy Johnson or Don Coryell should see a clear path to the bust room. The former did not have the tenure in the NFL that Dungy did, yet nearly everyone I've spoken with -- be it media member or player -- has said they would take Johnson over Dungy if they were building a team. While that point is arguable, this is not: Coryell was an innovator. You cannot tell the story of modern football without him. So I, uh, guess you know where I stand on his candidacy. Sorry not sorry.

Marvin Harrison, wide receiver, Colts

 

Most important thing about Harrison: Consistency.

Harrison was as consistent as any player in NFL history. While he trails Randy Moss and Terrell Owens in yards and touchdowns, he was more reliable than both players. His career also reached a zenith that neither of those more exciting players enjoyed: He earned a Super Bowl ring and won 10-plus games in the majority of his pro seasons. What stands out the most about Harrison's time with the Colts was his run from 1999 to 2006, where he posted at least 80 catches, 1,100 yards and 10 touchdowns every season. Despite more recent rule changes that favor the passing game, the unstoppable Antonio Brown still hasn't caught up to Harrison's all-time best 143-catch season.

What Harrison's enshrinement means for everybody else: With Harrison finally being inducted in his third year as a finalist, the WR logjam is officially over. Cris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown all made it into the Hall in consecutive years, each pushing the other to wait a bit longer. Most feel Owens didn't receive enough votes due to him being a "locker-room distraction." His number probably will be called in 2017. That said, at least we don't have to hear about Receiver X and the relevance-of-his-numbers issue anymore (until Steelers fans scream and yell about Hines Ward).

Orlando Pace, offensive tackle, Rams/Bears

 

Most important thing about Pace: Being the best at his position among other greats.

 

I received zero argument from Kurt Warner at the Hall of Fame ceremonies a couple of years ago when I posed the argument that Pace might have been the most effective player at his job for the longest time on those top-flight Rams teams. Left tackle has always been an important position, but especially in the '90s, when most quarterbacks were of the strong-pocket-presence/little-scramble-ability variety. With the passing game not as opened up over the middle as it is today, QBs held the ball longer. That meant protecting the blind side was uber-important.

What Pace's enshrinement means for everybody else: The run on tackles is pretty much over. Jonathan Ogden, Walter Jones and now Pace are all in, with Tony Boselli still a maybe. So we might not see another guy from this position group for some time. Guard is another deal altogether. Alan Faneca is available for induction (again) in 2017; Steve Hutchinson will be eligible in 2018. Both of those dudes could play, and should not have to wait long to make it to Canton.

Eddie DeBartolo Jr., owner, 49ers

 

Most important thing about DeBartolo: Flirting with the enemy.

Eddie DeBartolo Jr. was quite intrigued with Jimmy Johnson. DeBartolo is lauded for running a first-class organization that won five Super Bowl titles under his stewardship, but he also knew the "it" factor when he saw it. Coming out of the 1988 season, DeBartolo knew Bill Walsh was going to call it a day. George Seifert, Walsh's defensive coordinator, would end up being the heir apparent (reportedly because of Walsh's efforts). But don't think for a second that DeBartolo didn't kick the tires on the Miami Hurricanes head coach who had won the national championship in 1987. How would history have changed? Johnson's Cowboys bested the 49ers in the 1992 and '93 NFC Championship Games. Perhaps DeBartolo's Niners would have become the first team in the Super Bowl era to three-peat. Ah, speculation is pure joy.

What DeBartolo's enshrinement means for everybody else: In this particular case, it's difficult to say. Obviously the voters are forgiving (Terrell Owens??), as many wondered aloud how the riverboat-casino debacle that hastened his departure from the league would affect his candidacy. Frankly, the contributor category is so new that perhaps the most logical outcome is that next year's contributor will be a GM or executive, and not another owner.

Ken Stabler, quarterback, Raiders/Oilers/Saints

 

Most important thing about Stabler: It's about time!

 

For Raiders fans, making sure voters don't forget the leader of their team from the '70s has been a top priority every year at this time. Stabler certainly has a résumé worthy of inclusion, even if his statistics are paltry when compared to today's standards. He was the 1974 league MVP, and he was one of only three quarterbacks during the decade to enjoy a season with a 100-plus passer rating. Stabler also authored three memorable plays that are impossible to ignore. And I am not referring to the "Holy Roller" -- just watch this video. Oh, did we mention he won a ring, as well?

What Stabler's enshrinement means for everybody else: Stabler's entry opens the door for another '70s Raider who hasn't received a heckuva lot of Hall chatter. Cliff Branch was the premier deep threat of the decade, a first-team All-Pro three consecutive years from 1974 to '76. There are many league observers who felt he had as good a career as Lynn Swann, who, of course, has a likeness already in the bust room. (And actually, some think Branch's NFL tenure was better than Swann's.) Not to mention, Branch wore a sweet number for a wide receiver. #21

Dick Stanfel, offensive guard, Lions/Redskins

 

Most important thing about Stanfel: Getting it right.

This pertains more to the Pro Football Hall of Fame than to Stanfel specifically, but the mere fact that the Seniors Committee culled pro football's expansive story to find a deserving offensive guard -- from 60 years ago, mind you -- is awesome. It reflects a level of attention to detail that is all too important from a sport that clearly lags behind the MLB (and maybe even the NBA) in honoring its players from decades past. Stanfel was named All-Pro five times despite only playing seven years. Quality offensive line play equals winning football games since 1920.

 

What Stanfel's enshrinement means for everybody else: While the team can boast a decent number of Hall of Fame players, the most underappreciated squad in pro football history is the 1950s Detroit Lions. This group won three championships during the decade, and in each title game, Detroit beat the team everyone considers the premier bunch of that time: the Browns. In fact, most people think the era's pecking order went like this: 1) Browns, 2) Colts, 3) Giants. It's sad, really. Thus, Stanfel's enshrinement doesn't ring hollow. Now maybe the head coach for most of that Lions run will earn some voter consideration. Buddy Parker might have departed the franchise awkwardly, but he was quite a leader from 1951 through '56.

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Preseason starts tonight with the Packers vs Colts @8pm eastern on ESPN  

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GO RRRAAAAIIIIDDDDAAASSSS

[Jimmy Snacks]

Tonight's game cancelled due to shitty field conditions.

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19 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

Tonight's game cancelled due to shitty field conditions.

Seriously?

[Jimmy Snacks]

7 minutes ago, ckf said:

Seriously?

Yep.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17241245/hall-fame-game-canceled-due-poor-field-conditions-tom-benson-stadium

Edited August 7, 2016 by Biggie Smails

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At least he didn't break the guys jaw this time

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IK Enemkpali Throws Punch at Cyrus Kouandjio During Buffalo Bills' Training Camp

 

 

Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports

 

It is a new year with a new team, but linebacker IK Enemkpali is still throwing punches at his teammates during training camp. 

Per Matthew Fairburn of NewYorkUpstate.com, Enemkpali "took a swing at Cyrus Kouandjio" at the Buffalo Bills' practice Thursday before fellow offensive lineman Ryan Groy stepped in to make it a "two-on-one situation."

Enemkpali gained infamy while playing with the New York Jets in August last year, when he broke quarterback Geno Smith's jaw with a punch in the locker room. 

ESPN's Adam Schefter later reported on his Facebook that a dispute over a $600 payment for a plane ticket started the incident. Smith denied he owed Enemkpali any money, per Kimberley A. Martin of Newsday.

As a result of the incident, the Jets released Enemkpali before the Bills then claimed him off waivers. It seemed like a natural fit since head coach Rex Ryan, whom the Bills hired in January 2015, worked for the Jets when they drafted Enemkpali out of Louisiana Tech in 2014. 

The 25-year-old appeared in 11 games with the Bills last season, recording just nine solo tackles. 

Physical altercations between teammates are not uncommon during preseason practices. On Aug. 8, Chris Emma of CBS Chicago reported Chicago Bears offensive lineman Ted Larsen and linebacker Lamin Barrow were involved in an altercation.

However, because of what happened last year, Enemkpali is going to be viewed under a different microscope. He'll have to be careful. His talent and performance aren't so substantial that he can afford to keep making mistakes and remain on an NFL roster.

 

 

[Jimmy Snacks]

Mediocre player throwing punches at teammates....what a dumb motherfucker.

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1 minute ago, Biggie Smails said:

Mediocre player throwing punches at teammates....what a dumb motherfucker.

He should be cut like the Jets did to him last year. But, I doubt Rex will cut him.

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colts and bills tonight.

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Just now, Capt.Storm said:

colts and bills tonight.

Cowboys at The Rams as well.

Seattle at KC on now.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Biggie Smails

[Capt.Storm]

that should keep me off of here some.

[Jimmy Snacks]

Rosie Grier at The Coliseum tonight for the return of The Rams to LA.

[Capt.Storm]

Bills just fawked up the colts 2pt conversion. 6-9 bills..like 1:50 left in the fist half.

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Is Tyrod playing?

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8 minutes ago, ckf said:

Is Tyrod playing?

he did at first.

Maybe most of the 1st 1/4...i didn't watch much of the first..i was to tied up in a stupid thread here.

halftime 9-9

[Capt.Storm]

he did sign for 6 years.

[Capt.Storm]

pretty much a 100 million dollar man.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000684170/article/tyrod-taylor-signs-sixyear-92m-bills-extension

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damn..4 secs left and bills get a td..tried for 2 for the win but blew it..so they lost 18-19 colts...but hey,

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On 8/12/2016 at 0:34 PM, Biggie Smails said:

Mediocre player throwing punches at teammates....what a dumb motherfucker.

Karma is a bitch.

 

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Bills LB IK Enemkpali tears ACL, out for season

IK Enemkpali didn't finish the Buffalo Bills' preseason Week 1 tilt against the Colts after suffering a knee injury, and he now he's out for the rest of the season as well.

An MRI confirmed that Enemkpali suffered a torn ACL and will miss the entire season, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday morning.

 

The linebacker was carted off the field in the first half of the game. He reportedly twisted his right leg awkwardly while trying to pass rush. Bills coach Rex Ryan described the injury as "major" during halftime of the game broadcast.

Enemkpali was released by the Jets last August after he punched former teammate Geno Smith in the jaw during an argument. The Bills claimed him on waivers within the week.

Enemkpali's injury is the latest setback for a Buffalo linebacker corps that has struggled to stay healthy this offseason. Rookie Reggie Ragland is expected to miss the entire 2016 season with a torn ACL, and it's unclear when first-round pick Shaq Lawson will return to the team after undergoing offseason shoulder surgery.

 

 

[Jimmy Snacks]

What a shame.

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Broncos shopping Mark Sanchez to Dallas Cowboys

The Broncos are shopping veteran quarterback Mark Sanchez, with the Cowboys as an obvious target.

Denver has contacted Dallas to gauge interest in a trade for Sanchez, NFL Media's Jane Slater reported, via a source informed of the talks.

While the Cowboys are in the market for a veteran quarterback to back up rookie Dak Prescott with Tony Romo sidelined for two months, they are not interested in Sanchez at his current $4.5 million salary, per Slater.

Now that Trevor Siemian has won the Broncos' starting job, Sanchez has been rendered expendable. General manager John Elway is shopping the veteran quarterback around the league, hoping to collect a late-round draft pick rather than releasing Sanchez outright.

The Cowboys are unlikely to bite barring a Sanchez salary reduction and favorable conditions on the potential compensation of a late-round draft pick.

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2 minutes ago, ckf said:

 

[Jimmy Snacks]

Vikings have just traded for Sam Bradford.