Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Surley from what I hear Ben should not drive another vette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, Ebsell said: Admit you are wrong. If you are on a no fly list your right to travel is not taken from you. The way you travel is taken. You can complain all you want but your right to travel is still intact Trust me..you have the right to fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 18 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Trying to justify allowing possible terrorists to buy a gun? How sick is that? Yet you have not problem letting our southern border look like the start f the Boston marathon. you hypocritical ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) You have the right to fly..why do you think so many people do it. I don't think I can make it any simpler then that. Edited June 24, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) now that said does the gov have the right to take that right(power) to take the right away? Edited June 24, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsell Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: You have the right to fly..why do you think so many people do it. I don't think I can make it any simpler then that. And you are wrong. Simple enough for you lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just now, Ebsell said: And you are wrong. Simple enough for you lol. Show me how I'm wrong then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsell Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just now, Capt.Storm said: Show me how I'm wrong then. You have the right to travel and still can if you are on a no fly list. It will be slow and a pain in the ass yes. But if you want to go anywhere in the world you are still permitted to do so. Just can't fly. Don't come much easier to understand than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ebsell said: You have the right to travel and still can if you are on a no fly list. It will be slow and a pain in the ass yes. But if you want to go anywhere in the world you are still permitted to do so. Just can't fly. Don't come much easier to understand than that Rights of Americans on the No-Fly List By Nusrat Choudhury, Staff Attorney, ACLU Racial Justice Program AUGUST 29, 2013 | 2:31 PM Facebook Twitter Reddit Email Print nofly_knaeble-tile.jpg A federal court took a critically important step late yesterday towards placing a check on the government's secretive No-Fly List. In a 38-page ruling in Latif v. Holder, the ACLU's challenge to the No-Fly List, U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown recognized that the Constitution applies when the government bans Americans from the skies. She also asked for more information about the current process for getting off the list, to inform her decision on whether that procedure violates the Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process. We represent 13 Americans, including four military veterans, who are blacklisted from flying. At oral argumentin June on motions for partial summary judgment, we asked the court to find that the government violated our clients' Fifth Amendment right to due process by barring them from flying over U.S. airspace – and smearing them as suspected terrorists – without giving them any after-the-fact explanation or a hearing at which to clear their names. The court's opinion recognizes – for the first time – that inclusion on the No-Fly List is a draconian sanction that severely impacts peoples' constitutionally-protected liberties. It rejected the government's argument that No-Fly list placement was merely a restriction on the most "convenient" means of international travel. This is how it ties into the 5th. Edited June 24, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: Rights of Americans on the No-Fly List By Nusrat Choudhury, Staff Attorney, ACLU Racial Justice Program AUGUST 29, 2013 | 2:31 PM Facebook Twitter Reddit Email Print nofly_knaeble-tile.jpg A federal court took a critically important step late yesterday towards placing a check on the government's secretive No-Fly List. In a 38-page ruling in Latif v. Holder, the ACLU's challenge to the No-Fly List, U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown recognized that the Constitution applies when the government bans Americans from the skies. She also asked for more information about the current process for getting off the list, to inform her decision on whether that procedure violates the Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process. We represent 13 Americans, including four military veterans, who are blacklisted from flying. At oral argumentin June on motions for partial summary judgment, we asked the court to find that the government violated our clients' Fifth Amendment right to due process by barring them from flying over U.S. airspace – and smearing them as suspected terrorists – without giving them any after-the-fact explanation or a hearing at which to clear their names. The court's opinion recognizes – for the first time – that inclusion on the No-Fly List is a draconian sanction that severely impacts peoples' constitutionally-protected liberties. It rejected the government's argument that No-Fly list placement was merely a restriction on the most "convenient" means of international travel. The ACLU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsell Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Sleepr2 said: The ACLU? Pretty good eh lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) None the less its law now by a district court judge..read it and weep..owned! The court's opinion recognizes – for the first time – that inclusion on the No-Fly List is a draconian sanction that severely impacts peoples' constitutionally-protected liberties. It rejected the government's argument that No-Fly list placement was merely a restriction on the most "convenient" means of international travel. Edited June 24, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) But because of the Patriot Act..now called the Freedom Act ..Barry can give the constitution the finger..we been through all of this in a diff thread. If anything that's what you should be bitching about. Edited June 24, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsell Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: None the less its law now by a district court judge..read it and weep..owned! The court's opinion recognizes – for the first time – that inclusion on the No-Fly List is a draconian sanction that severely impacts peoples' constitutionally-protected liberties. It rejected the government's argument that No-Fly list placement was merely a restriction on the most "convenient" means of international travel. Then the courts fucked up. Next thing they will say you have the right to drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Ebsell said: Then the courts fucked up. Next thing they will say you have the right to drive Well that takes a DL..totally diff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Now why don't you bitch about the gov taking all that away with a no-fly list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) I really don't like the no-fly list at all. But that said to tie no gun buying to that list is even more of a waste of time. means nothing..it's just lip service to make us feel safer. Edited June 24, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Class over...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsell Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: Class over...lol. You go with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ebsell said: You go with that. Well i taught you a thing or three my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I just don't get how some are not pissed about the gov from stopping people from flying just on the basis of being suspect. That's where your outrage should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 13 hours ago, BOHICA said: Just curious if people on no fly list be able to exercise their other constitutional rights if they are americans that made the no fly list or are some of our politicians just try to prevent the people on the list from exercising their 2nd admendment right only?? Can people on no fly list or terrorist watch list that is american be able to vote in november? if they are american citizens and have not had their rights removed by due process, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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