Momorider Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 9 hours ago, DriftBusta said: this is so awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 11 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: Pence, Tillerson, and Mattis have their hands full. Tillerson wanted someone with experience as his Deputy and chose Elliot Abrams, Bannon saw to it that it didn't happen, not good. Despite all the animosity that existed between Obama and Fox News Obama never excluded Fox from any briefings. Shove your sanctimony up your ass Vince. In 2013, the United States Department of Justice, under Attorney General Eric Holder, came under scrutiny from the media and some members of Congress for subpoenaing phone records from the Associated Press (AP) and naming Fox News reporter, James Rosen, a "criminal co-conspirator" under the Espionage Act of 1917 in order to gain access to his personal emails and phone records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Snake said: Shove your sanctimony up your ass Vince. In 2013, the United States Department of Justice, under Attorney General Eric Holder, came under scrutiny from the media and some members of Congress for subpoenaing phone records from the Associated Press (AP) and naming Fox News reporter, James Rosen, a "criminal co-conspirator" under the Espionage Act of 1917 in order to gain access to his personal emails and phone records. ...especially with the fist part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 On May 17, 2013, the Washington Post reported the Justice Department had monitored reporter Rosen's activities by tracking his visits to the State Department, through phone traces, timing of calls and his personal emails in a probe regarding possible news leaks of classified information in 2009 about North Korea.[8] In obtaining the warrants, they labeled Rosen a "criminal co-conspirator" with Stephen Kim.[9] Rosen was also described as a "flight-risk" to keep him from being informed of the ongoing surveillance.[10] In a written statement, the Justice Department said it had followed “all applicable laws, regulations, and longstanding Department of Justice policies intended to safeguard the First Amendment interests of the press in reporting the news and the public in receiving it.”[8] Some analysts have described the Justice Department's actions as "aggressive investigative methods"[11][12] that have a chilling effect on news organizations' ability to play a watchdog role. Fox News contributor Judge Andrew Napolitano commented: "This is the first time that the federal government has moved to this level of taking ordinary, reasonable, traditional, lawful reporter skills and claiming they constitute criminal behavior."[13] An editorial board of the New York Times wrote: "With the decision to label a Fox News television reporter a possible 'co-conspirator' in a criminal investigation of a news leak, the Obama administration has moved beyond protecting government secrets to threatening fundamental freedoms of the press to gather news."[14] Dana Milbank of the Washington Post stated: "The Rosen affair is as flagrant an assault on civil liberties as anything done by George W. Bush’s administration, and it uses technology to silence critics in a way Richard Nixon could only have dreamed of. To treat a reporter as a criminal for doing his job — seeking out information the government doesn’t want made public — deprives Americans of the First Amendment freedom on which all other constitutional rights are based." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 wtf does james rosen and possible leaks of classified data about north korea have to do with this story? did you conventiently leave those details out snakey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 so to clarify, the obama WH looking into possible leakers and singling out a possible suspect, is the same thing as trump's WH banning an entire news organization from a briefing because they don't like them? jesus christ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 TBH, I'd ban all corporate news from everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, motonoggin said: TBH, I'd ban all corporate news from everywhere. Problem is that public funded news is no better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: wtf does james rosen and possible leaks of classified data about north korea have to do with this story? did you conventiently leave those details out snakey? Days prior on May 15, 2013, Attorney General Holder had testified under oath in front of the House Judiciary Committee that he had recused himself from the leak investigations to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest. Holder said his Deputy Attorney General, James M. Cole, was in charge of the AP investigation and would have ordered the subpoenas.[16] When questioning turned to the possibility of journalists being charged under the Espionage Act for reporting classified material, Holder stated: "With regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is not something that I've ever been involved in, heard of or would think would be a wise policy."[17] On May 23, 2013, NBC confirmed with the Justice Department that Holder had personally signed off on the Rosen case. The Justice Department defended their decision and spoke about a balance between protecting national secrets and the 1st Amendment, stating: "After extensive deliberations, and after following all applicable laws, regulations and policies, the Department sought an appropriately tailored search warrant under the Privacy Protection Act."[18] The revelation brought into question whether Holder was being intentionally misleading during his previous testimony when he denied knowing of, or being part of possible prosecutions of journalists. House Committee members sent an open letter to Holder, saying: "It is imperative that the committee, the Congress, and the American people be provided a full and accurate account of your involvement."[19] Members of Congress and media figures have questioned the motivations behind the Justice Department's actions, and if they were even warranted: "For five days, reporters at the Associated Press had been sitting on a big scoop about a foiled Al-Qaeda plot at the request of CIA officials. Then, in a hastily scheduled Monday morning meeting, the journalists were asked by agency officials to hold off on publishing the story for just one more day. The CIA officials, who had initially cited national security concerns in an attempt to delay publication, no longer had those worries, according to individuals familiar with the exchange. Instead, the Obama administration was planning to announce the successful counterterrorism operation that Tuesday. AP balked and proceeded to publish that Monday afternoon."[28] Someone rained on Obama's parade. Stop acting like Trump is the first to ever deal with this. It makes you look stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 Just now, Snake said: Days prior on May 15, 2013, Attorney General Holder had testified under oath in front of the House Judiciary Committee that he had recused himself from the leak investigations to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest. Holder said his Deputy Attorney General, James M. Cole, was in charge of the AP investigation and would have ordered the subpoenas.[16] When questioning turned to the possibility of journalists being charged under the Espionage Act for reporting classified material, Holder stated: "With regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is not something that I've ever been involved in, heard of or would think would be a wise policy."[17] On May 23, 2013, NBC confirmed with the Justice Department that Holder had personally signed off on the Rosen case. The Justice Department defended their decision and spoke about a balance between protecting national secrets and the 1st Amendment, stating: "After extensive deliberations, and after following all applicable laws, regulations and policies, the Department sought an appropriately tailored search warrant under the Privacy Protection Act."[18] The revelation brought into question whether Holder was being intentionally misleading during his previous testimony when he denied knowing of, or being part of possible prosecutions of journalists. House Committee members sent an open letter to Holder, saying: "It is imperative that the committee, the Congress, and the American people be provided a full and accurate account of your involvement."[19] Members of Congress and media figures have questioned the motivations behind the Justice Department's actions, and if they were even warranted: "For five days, reporters at the Associated Press had been sitting on a big scoop about a foiled Al-Qaeda plot at the request of CIA officials. Then, in a hastily scheduled Monday morning meeting, the journalists were asked by agency officials to hold off on publishing the story for just one more day. The CIA officials, who had initially cited national security concerns in an attempt to delay publication, no longer had those worries, according to individuals familiar with the exchange. Instead, the Obama administration was planning to announce the successful counterterrorism operation that Tuesday. AP balked and proceeded to publish that Monday afternoon."[28] Someone rained on Obama's parade. Stop acting like Trump is the first to ever deal with this. It makes you look stupid. the warrant in rosen's case was granted by a judge. doj went through all proper legal channels. to compare that to unilaterally excluding several news corps from a press briefing is preposterous. fuck dude....i really thought that you were smarter than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Snake said: Days prior on May 15, 2013, Attorney General Holder had testified under oath in front of the House Judiciary Committee that he had recused himself from the leak investigations to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest. Holder said his Deputy Attorney General, James M. Cole, was in charge of the AP investigation and would have ordered the subpoenas.[16] When questioning turned to the possibility of journalists being charged under the Espionage Act for reporting classified material, Holder stated: "With regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is not something that I've ever been involved in, heard of or would think would be a wise policy."[17] On May 23, 2013, NBC confirmed with the Justice Department that Holder had personally signed off on the Rosen case. The Justice Department defended their decision and spoke about a balance between protecting national secrets and the 1st Amendment, stating: "After extensive deliberations, and after following all applicable laws, regulations and policies, the Department sought an appropriately tailored search warrant under the Privacy Protection Act."[18] The revelation brought into question whether Holder was being intentionally misleading during his previous testimony when he denied knowing of, or being part of possible prosecutions of journalists. House Committee members sent an open letter to Holder, saying: "It is imperative that the committee, the Congress, and the American people be provided a full and accurate account of your involvement."[19] Members of Congress and media figures have questioned the motivations behind the Justice Department's actions, and if they were even warranted: "For five days, reporters at the Associated Press had been sitting on a big scoop about a foiled Al-Qaeda plot at the request of CIA officials. Then, in a hastily scheduled Monday morning meeting, the journalists were asked by agency officials to hold off on publishing the story for just one more day. The CIA officials, who had initially cited national security concerns in an attempt to delay publication, no longer had those worries, according to individuals familiar with the exchange. Instead, the Obama administration was planning to announce the successful counterterrorism operation that Tuesday. AP balked and proceeded to publish that Monday afternoon."[28] Someone rained on Obama's parade. Stop acting like Trump is the first to ever deal with this. It makes you look stupid. you're steering off track, and grasping at straws while doing so. point - the white house banning a news organization for no legitimate reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 'news organization' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: you're steering off track, and grasping at straws while doing so. point - the white house banning a news organization for no legitimate reasons. And you want to compare a few news outlets, out of how many who were there? Did he freeze out THE MEDIA, or did he choose not to allow a couple/few in? The Rosen affair had repercussions throughout the intelligence community, and this simply made CNN butthurt. How the fuck can you compare the 2? Is it a crime that CNN was not part of a POOL of reporters? Did this action result in any information not getting out? Banning? Does CNN not have a seat at the press room? Were they thrown out? I love this.... you are choking on the gnat! Get a fucking grip. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 snakey hang it the fuck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: snakey hang it the fuck up. I wish you two would just kill each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: snakey hang it the fuck up. Capitulation: it smells like... CHOCOLATE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: keep your lame acts over at team butt plug. if you can't stand the heat..... 10 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: snakey hang it the fuck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) i made my point ya dingaling and didn't tell you what i had for breakfast instead. your constant effort to compare an orange to an apple is comical. Edited February 25, 2017 by Snoslinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: i made my point ya dingaling... That CNN is a whining bitch because it wasn't allowed into an informal press briefing? Agreed. Is there something that guarantees CNN a seat at every table? I'd like to see it.... Edited February 25, 2017 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: i made my point ya dingaling and didn't tell you what i had for breakfast instead. your constant effort to compare an orange to an apple is comical. You are and were again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: i made my point ya dingaling and didn't tell you what i had for breakfast instead. your constant effort to compare an orange to an apple is comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 i hate to ask.... wtf is that about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) let me ask you this snakey, and an honest answer would be appreciated.... if obama had pulled this stunt, exactly "as is"... you'd be _______? Edited February 25, 2017 by Snoslinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: let me ask you this snakey, and an honest answer would be appreciated.... if obama had pulled this stunt, exactly "as is"... you'd be _______? This explains my position perfectly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 40 minutes ago, Snake said: Capitulation: it smells like... CHOCOLATE! 7 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: i hate to ask.... wtf is that about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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