Mileage Psycho Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Video at the link and his speak. Quote ‘A lot of people are saying . . . ’: How Trump spreads conspiracies and innuendos Following the country’s most deadly mass shooting, Donald Trump was asked to explain what he meant when he said President Obama either does not understand radicalized Muslim terrorists or “he gets it better than anybody understands.” “Well,” Trump said on the “Today Show” Monday morning, “there are a lot of people that think maybe he doesn’t want to get it. A lot of people think maybe he doesn’t want to know about it. I happen to think that he just doesn’t know what he’s doing, but there are many people that think maybe he doesn’t want to get it. He doesn’t want to see what’s really happening. And that could be.” In other words, Trump was not directly saying that he believes the president sympathizes with the terrorist who killed at least 49 people in an Orlando nightclub. He was implying that a lot of people are saying that. Trump frequently couches his most controversial comments this way, which allows him to share a controversial idea, piece of tabloid gossip or conspiracy theory without technically embracing it. If the comment turns out to be popular, Trump will often drop the distancing qualifier — “people think” or “some say.” If the opposite happens, Trump can claim that he never said the thing he is accused of saying, equating it to retweeting someone else’s thoughts on Twitter. This is particularly true when it comes to Trump’s comments on Islam. For months, the candidate has portrayed Muslims as the leading threat working against the United States and has routinely suggested in a wink-wink fashion that the president might secretly be a follower. At a rally in New Hampshire in September, a man in the audience loudly declared President Obama a Muslim and “not even an American,” then asked Trump to get rid of Muslim “training camps.” “You know, a lot of people are saying that, and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there,” Trump responded. “We’re going to look at that and plenty of other things.” Later that month, Trump announced that as president he would kick all Syrian refugees out of the country and not allow any others to enter because they could be a secret terrorist army. “This could be the ultimate — probably not, but it could be — the ultimate Trojan horse,” Trump said on Fox News in early November, floating the idea without embracing it. (On Fox News Monday, Trump said that he used to make this suggestion “with a smile” but he is now “starting to think that it can happen because our politicians are so inept and so incapable.”) When it comes to the Iran nuclear deal, Trump has floated a variety of theories as to why the United States got what he views as such a raw deal. During a campaign rally in South Carolina in December, Trump seemed to accuse the U.S. negotiators of not having the country’s best interests in mind. “Some people say it’s worse than stupidity. There’s something going on that we don’t know about,” Trump said in Hilton Head. “And you almost think — I’m not saying that, and I’m not a conspiracy person. . . . Half the people in this room are saying it. I’m trying to be — you know, I’m just hoping they’re just stupid people, okay?” Trump’s they-said-it-not-me tactic is also often used when he’s attacking his rivals or their relatives. In early January, Trump said that he was not concerned that Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) was born in Canada — but that he had heard from many Republicans who were. “I’d hate to see something like that get in his way, but a lot of people are talking about it, and I know that even some states are looking at it very strongly, the fact that he was born in Canada and he has had a double passport,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post at the time. As this attack on Cruz stuck — and was echoed by other Republicans — Trump stopped pinning the concern on others and embraced it as his own, even threatening to sue Cruz over his eligibility in mid-February. In attacking Hillary and Bill Clinton, Trump indirectly raised questions about one of their close friends, Vince Foster, whose suicide in 1993 has long been a focus of far-right conspiracy theorists who allege Clinton involvement. “I don’t bring [Foster’s death] up because I don’t know enough to really discuss it,” Trump said in an interview with The Post in May. “I will say there are people who continue to bring it up because they think it was absolutely a murder. I don’t do that because I don’t think it’s fair.” Still, the fact that Trump even chose to comment on the topic outraged many — including Foster’s sister, who accused Trump of “cynically, crassly and recklessly” insinuating that her brother had been murdered to further his own candidacy. When asked about Foster during a news conference in North Dakota soon after, Trump continued to distance himself by attributing the concern to “a lot of people.” “Somebody asked me the question the other day, and I said that a lot of people are very skeptical as to what happened and how he died,” Trump said. “I know nothing about it. I don’t think it’s something that, frankly, really, unless some evidence to the contrary of what I have seen comes up, I don’t think that it’s something that should be part of the campaign.” In some cases, Trump’s commenting-while-not-commenting is delivered with a clear wink to the crowd. He will tell his audience that he’s not going to talk about something he shouldn’t talk about — and then continue to comment. “I’m not going to say it, because I’m not allowed to say it, because I want to be politically correct,” Trump said in discussing the sound of Clinton’s voice at a rally in Fresno, Calif., last month. “So I refuse to say that I cannot stand her screaming into the microphone all the time.” On Twitter recently, he took a swipe at Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.): “I find it offensive that goofy Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas, pretended to be Native American to get in Harvard.” He did not note that he was the one who coined the nickname. Trump has explained his approach by comparing it to a retweet. During a rally in New Hampshire in February, a woman in the crowd called Cruz a vulgar word, and Trump repeated it for the rest of the audience to hear. “It was like a retweet,” Trump said in a television interview the next day. “I would never say a word like that — by the way, can I tell you what? The audience went crazy. Standing ovation. Five thousand people went nuts, they loved it.”http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/‘a-lot-of-people-are-saying-’-how-trump-spreads-conspiracies-and-innuendos/ar-AAh0eUD Edited June 14, 2016 by Mileage Psycho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Don the con at work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 14, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2016 Obama just ripped him a new one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 14, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama on Tuesday unleashed a blistering verbal assault on Donald Trump and his "dangerous" proposal for a ban on Muslims entering the country, saying the suggestion violates the principles of American democracy and generates rage among would-be extremists. Dismissing the "yapping" from "politicians who tweet," Obama described Trump's suggestions as harmful to the country's national security. "We are now seeing how dangerous this kind of mindset and this kind of thinking can be," he said. "We're starting to see where this kind of rhetoric and loose talk and sloppiness about who exactly we're fighting, where this can lead us." Obama, sounding infuriated at critiques of his foreign policy, pushed back against criticism for not using the term "radical Islamic terrorism." And he accused Republicans of fostering resentment among Muslims that could generate further attacks. "What exactly would using this language accomplish? What exactly would it change?" Obama asked during remarks at the Treasury Department. "Would it make ISIL less committed to try and kill Americans?" he continued, using a different acronym for ISIS. "Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this? The answer is none of the above," he said. "Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/obama-pushes-back-against-criticism-over-terrorism-rhetoric/index.html Edited June 14, 2016 by SnowRider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 Can anyone intelligently answer the questions below. Quote "What exactly would using this language accomplish? What exactly would it change?" Obama asked during remarks at the Treasury Department. "Would it make ISIL less committed to try and kill Americans?" he continued, using a different acronym for ISIS. "Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this? The answer is none of the above," he said. "Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/obama-pushes-back-against-criticism-over-terrorism-rhetoric/index.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) I guess you would rather define the enemy as some inanimate object than point out the truth. If it doesn't make a difference then say it. Edited June 14, 2016 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The bag brothers in this post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 14, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Vince - Doe Dumb is on the . Does his answer suffice? Edited June 14, 2016 by SnowRider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Trump is very smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Sludgey said: Trump is very smart 1 hour ago, Sludgey said: Trump is very smart No he's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: No he's not. He's a billionaire and presidential candidate while you're a sucker with a token family job tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 13 minutes ago, racer254 said: I guess you would rather define the enemy as some inanimate object than point out the truth. If it doesn't make a difference then say it. 12 minutes ago, Snake said: The bag brothers in this post... I requested intelligent answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 You guys can't pin trump down on anything, funny as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 14, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2016 33 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Can anyone intelligently answer the questions below. The same thing Jimmy Carter was trying to accomplish? Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Who was the prez that put all the japs in camps for their own safety after Pearl Harbor?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Not a fan of Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted June 14, 2016 Gold Member Share Posted June 14, 2016 Our choices are Trump, Clinton & Sanders. What a shit show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Kivalo said: Our choices are Trump, Clinton & Sanders. What a shit show. No dude Hillary is great just ask Hillaryrider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 13 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: Who was the prez that put all the japs in camps for their own safety after Pearl Harbor?? FDR..a lib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Yeah..I'm talking to myself..that's the only way that I can have a intelligent conversation around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Trump does this shit all the time. How many times has he said "Something is going on!". Pretty weak for someone who supposedly "speaks what's on his mind". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SSFB said: Trump does this shit all the time. How many times has he said "Something is going on!". Pretty weak for someone who supposedly "speaks what's on his mind". Yeah well when he does speak his mind the libs word fuck him. Edited June 14, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 14, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2016 2 hours ago, SSFB said: Trump does this shit all the time. How many times has he said "Something is going on!". Pretty weak for someone who supposedly "speaks what's on his mind". And we both know there are a lot people here and elsewhere that lap it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Sludgey said: He's a billionaire and presidential candidate while you're a sucker with a token family job tho He's an ass clown that lives off the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Highmark said: The same thing Jimmy Carter was trying to accomplish? Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly. What does that have to do with the questions the president asked? Again think about each of the questions below and try to formulate an answer to them. Remember the guy asking the questions is the guy who didn't hesitate to smoke the Somali pirates when he first got in office, and it was under his watch that OBL got smoked.......actions speak louder than words. Quote "What exactly would using this language accomplish? What exactly would it change?" Obama asked during remarks at the Treasury Department. "Would it make ISIL less committed to try and kill Americans?" he continued, using a different acronym for ISIS. "Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this? The answer is none of the above," he said. "Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/obama-pushes-back-against-criticism-over-terrorism-rhetoric/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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