‘It Really Is the Perfect Storm’: Coronavirus Comes for Rural America

[Mileage Psycho]

It's a long read, but it's a lot information. There have been outbreaks in SD, OK, IA, NE, if this shit gets out of control in rural areas it could get real ugly.

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‘It Really Is the Perfect Storm’: Coronavirus Comes for Rural America

Dr. Howard Leibrand has had two very different medical careers—29 years as an emergency room physician, then 12 as an addiction therapist. The challenge he’s facing now, as the novel coronavirus slams bucolic Skagit County, Washington, where he lives and works, is like both rolled into one. Covid-19 has struck fast and hard, like the car crashes and mishaps that send victims to the ER. And like opiate addiction, it has spread stealthily through the heartland, even as it was dismissed as a distant, urban problem.

“One of the negatives of living in a rural community is you think it protects you somehow,” says Leibrand, who for years has also been the health officer—a sort of local surgeon general—of the county, a sprawling expanse of rich alluvial farmland, exurban bedroom communities and steep Cascade peaks midway between Seattle and Vancouver, British Columbia. “We get a little bit cavalier, a little lazy about social distancing.” On April 1, Governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota—one of five states, all in the central heartland, without stay-at-home orders—defended her decision to leave South Dakotans “free to exercise their rights to work, to worship, and to play” by saying, “South Dakota is not New York City, and our sense of personal responsibility, our resiliency and our already sparse population density put us in a great position to manage this virus” without resorting to the “draconian” measures taken elsewhere.

Complacency is fast fading, however, as rural residents realize that, far from being immune, they may be uniquely vulnerable when the epidemic reaches them. Even as Noem spoke, Covid-19 was spreading at a Sioux Falls meatpacking plant that subsequently closed after more than 300 workers fell sick, and local officials across the state begged her to issue shutdown and shelter-in-place orders.

As of press time, all but one of Washington’s 39 counties, most of them rural, had reported Covid-19 cases. Nationwide, more than two-thirds of rural counties had confirmed cases as of April 6, a New York Times analysis found, and across rural America, the per capita infection rate “was more than double what it was six days earlier.” That’s as fast as or faster than recent increases in Chicago, Miami, Boston, Los Angeles and New York.The country’s highest Covid-19 rate is in Blaine County, Idaho, home to 22,277 residents and the Sun Mountain ski resort.

Most rural infection rates still fall far short of Blaine County’s, and of the rates in cities like Seattle and New York where the pandemic first hit. But rural doctors and emergency managers watch the wave of contagion rippling out across the country and figure it’s just a matter of time—and not much time—before it hits them hard, too.

They’re also afraid their communities aren’t ready to face a pandemic—and acutely aware of the handicaps they bear as this one arrives. Rural residents tend to be older, less affluent and less healthy than the national average, and fewer of them have health insurance. Long distances to hospitals and labs can spell the difference between life and death with an unpredictable disease that can rapidly turn critical. Rural grocery stores, pharmacies and even hospitals are last in line for supplies that chains and big box stores have special access to.

Most worrisome of all, many of the rural hospitals that are the first line of defense as coronavirus goes country were already on the critical list. An average of a dozen a year have folded over the past decade, and many more were on the brink when Covid-19 arrived. Before, if a local disaster or disease outbreak overwhelmed their resources, they could turn to neighbors and big-city medical centers for relief. Now, they find themselves competing, at a disadvantage, with their larger counterparts for scarce test kits and protective gear.

Skagit County, which with 187 cases and six deaths has one of Washington’s highest Covid-19 rates, is used to disasters; crippling floods periodically inundate its flatlands and river towns. But “floods and other disasters are immediate,” says Bryan Brice, fire chief in the county’s largest town and incident commander for its Covid-19 response. “With this pandemic, three people get sick, I treat those three and four more are. You treat those four and have five or six more. …. A flood or other disaster is localized. When you have a flood in Skagit County, there’s no flood in Vancouver so you can turn there for help. But this is everywhere.”

Rural areas, sparsely populated though they are, are more vulnerable to coronavirus than you might think, says Carrie Henning-Smith, a professor of health policy at the University of Minnesota who studies rural communities. Many in the outsize rural elderly population depend on children and other family caregivers who must also work at jobs outside the home. Unlike city-based finance, software and media jobs that readily move online, rural jobs tend to be in industries, many of them designated “essential,” that require showing up and working at close quarters: agriculture, manufacturing, fishing, mining, retail, tourism and recreation. Even before Covid-19 hit, Henning-Smith’s research found that “rural caregivers were dramatically less likely to be able to work at home” than their urban counterparts. “And they had less access to sick leave and time off.” All this makes it harder for them to safely distance themselves and protect their families.

Those in more remote areas may also have limited access to information, leaving them exposed to dangerous disinformation. In 2016, the Federal Communications Commission found that 39 percent of rural residents, versus just 10 percent of the general population, lacked access to 25 mps broadband; 200,000 in Washington, by another estimate, were shut out. In such a vacuum, “radio—farm radio, talk radio—becomes really important,” Henning-Smith says. And listening, like social media, has its risks: “They might be getting really bad information. People can think this is a hoax, that it won’t affect them.”

Until it does.

South Bend, Washington, population 1,637, is the picturesque seat of Pacific County, at the state’s southwest corner. Until March 13, the local buzz was that the coronavirus threat was “being hyped up to make Trump look bad,” longtime resident Jan Davis says. “That flipped around as soon as Trump declared an emergency. The next day [Pioneer Grocery, South Bend’s only food store] was cleared out. It still is. There’s still no toilet paper, baking stuff, rice, beans, or ice cream,” though produce and meat are readily available, Davis says. “It’s a terrible situation. What are poor people [who can’t afford to stock up] going to buy?”

“It’s frustrating,” says Rick Manlow, who owns and operates Pioneer Grocery with his brother. “We run right out of toilet paper and flour, and of course hand sanitizer and wipes the very few times we’re able to get hold of them. You throw them on the shelf and they’re gone in 10 minutes.” His bare shelves don’t just reflect panic buying, however. “We’re ordering 800 cases and getting 400. Our supplier is operating at way over capacity. They’ve been having challenges getting adequate staff, supply, even drivers for the trucks.” (The large chains by contrast purchase directly from manufacturers and have their own warehouses and truck fleets, so they’re protected from such problems at the wholesale level.)

Other small towns are in the same fix, says Jan Gee, president of the Washington Food Industry Association, which represents independent grocers and the wholesalers that supply them. “I’m getting repeated reports like this from our members,” Gee says. “It appears the large manufacturers are favoring the chains and big box stores.”

Independent pharmacies, which fill a vital role in towns too small to attract the chains, face similar disruptions. “We cannot get hydroxychloroquine, face masks, hand sanitizer, isopropryl alcohol, 70 percent ethanol or wipes,” says Rob Slagel, who operates the only nontribal pharmacy in Ferry County, Washington’s most remote district; big box stores lie more than an hour away over mountain passes. “We’re allocated two Z-paks”—an antibiotic to treat the pneumonia that often follows Covid-19—“a day.”

Slagel is now retiring, and the county hospital is buying him out so the 4,000 people it serves won’t be left without a pharmacy. The hospital, which has already treated one Covid-19 patient, also finds itself at the tail end of the supply chain. It ordered a ventilator last fall because those it had were outdated; CEO Aaron Edwards says the manufacturer finally sent one, the wrong model, in January. When Edwards tried to exchange it, after the coronavirus appeared, he says the manufacturer told him the one he’d ordered had been allocated to the Federal Emergency Management Agency instead.

When even entire states are bidding against each other for ventilators and personal protective equipment, tiny hospitals can be at a particular disadvantage, says Jacqueline Barton True, the Washington Hospital Association’s vice president for rural health programs: “When they go to buy 11,000 masks, the supplier says, ‘I have an order for a quarter million. I don’t have time for you.’”

Many rural hospitals were in dire financial straits even before the virus appeared. Buffeted by rural flight, rising costs, state budget cuts and restricted Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements, more than 170 nationwide have closed since 2005, 128 of them since 2010 and eight since January. Most were in the South and lower Midwest, particularly in states that did not expand Medicaid coverage under the Affordable Care Act; Texas lost 24, Tennessee 13, and Alabama 7. (Those are also states with high shares of uninsured rural residents.) Some hospitals are now reopening to deal with Covid-19. Washington state will take over one that closed in January in Yakima, a major agricultural hub, and reopen it for coronavirus care.

Many more rural hospitals in Washington are tottering and hoping this crisis doesn’t overturn them. A state-ordered moratorium on elective surgeries and other nonurgent procedures has choked off their largest source of revenue; many deferred them to conserve precious supplies even before the order came down. ER visits and the income they bring have also plummeted. Insurers pay less for the telemedicine that has replaced traditional office visits. These losses affect all hospitals, but urban ones, with their efficiencies of scale, are better insulated, with bigger cash buffers and more in-patient and critical-care treatment, which continues despite the moratorium.

The quickest way to rebalance hospitals’ books would be to do what so many businesses have done: trim staff. But the hospitals are loath to do that in the face of a pandemic, though many have been sending hourly workers home at reduced pay and letting salaried employees take unpaid days off. “You’re doing crisis prevention,” says Shane McGuire, CEO of the Columbia County Health System, the only hospital in nearly 1,000 sparsely inhabited square miles of southeastern Washington. “You need to keep your staff. So you have a high cost of operation and low revenues. It really is the perfect storm.”

Rural hospitals across the state have seen their revenues fall by a third to more than half since the emergency began. “We’re essentially equivalent to grounded airlines,” says Rod Hochman, CEO of Providence Washington, a nonprofit network of urban and rural hospitals, one of which treated America’s first Covid-19 patient. “We’ve grounded the economic activity that sustains the rural hospitals.”

As part of a large network, Providence’s hospitals enjoy access to resources, supply chains and lobbying clout that their independent and county-operated counterparts can only dream of. “We see our rural hospitals as mission-critical,” Hochman says. “What I’m worried about are those who aren’t connected, who don’t have support” from a network like Providence.

That would include Three Rivers Hospital in Brewster, which serves 15,000 residents spread across 5,000 square miles of central Washington scrub and prairie. Three Rivers went from running a small surplus in December to six-figure deficits in the ensuing months. “We’d been positioning to grow in 2020,” says Jennifer Best, its business development director. “Then we got blindsided.” Now Three Rivers is one of five rural hospitals the Washington State Hospital Association warned faced “imminent closure” in a March 20 letter to Governor Jay Inslee pleading for state relief. They have less than two weeks’ cash on hand, says the association’s Barton True; 15 more have less than 45 days’.

All those hospitals are still hanging on, with a little help. The state kicked over $2 million in emergency funds—about $140,000 for each eligible hospital, enough to keep the doors open for a week or two. Because of the lag in insurance reimbursements, they’re still receiving payments for procedures performed in the halcyon days of January and February. And they’re anxiously peering through the murk of the federal coronavirus response to discern what share they will receive of the $100 billion designated for hospitals and other care providers in the $2 trillion coronavirus relief package signed into law March 27. Clarity is slow in coming.

That act also authorizes Medicare to send hospitals three months of “accelerated payments” (six months for small, rural critical access hospitals) based on what they billed last year. These are not grants, however, but loans against future earnings. Some rural hospitals are grabbing for this lifeline. Others view it warily, fearful of incurring debts they can’t repay.

Providence’s Hochman sees another source of emergency funds for hard-pressed hospitals: “Private insurers have cash sitting in the banks—essentially all the elective surgery they would pay for isn’t happening.” Why not advance that cash to hard-pressed hospitals? he asks. “We’re pushing on that.”

He offers one more blunt piece of political advice: “Very quickly, rural hospitals have to figure out who their friends are.”

A sizable share of rural Washington lies within its 29 Native reservations, which cover 6 million acres spread around all but the state’s southeast quadrant. Covid-19 could hit Indian Country especially hard. The tribes have limited medical resources; none have their own hospitals, and some don’t have clinics. That’s one reason many have started early and worked hard to keep the coronavirus out of their communities, or contained once it’s in.

A little south of the Canadian border, the Lummi Nation, with 20 confirmed Covid-19 cases, has installed a 21-bed care center next to its clinic to absorb any overflow from the nearest hospital, in Bellingham. Thinking ahead, the Lummi stocked up on medical and safety supplies in January and declared an emergency on March 3, 10 days before President Donald Trump did. The smaller Suquamish Tribe, which lacked a clinic, is now building one.

“We have a population with adverse underlying conditions,” says T. J. Greene, chairman of the Makah Tribe. “Nationwide, Native populations have higher rates of diabetes and heart disease.” He figures that between elders and those with compromised health, a sixth of the 1,800 residents would be especially vulnerable if the virus reaches the isolated Makah reservation at the state’s westernmost point.

It hasn’t, as far as anyone knows. To keep it that way, the Makah have installed a 24-hour checkpoint on the only road into their village, excluded visitors, closed their popular (and spectacular) oceanfront hiking trails to outsiders, and urged residents to leave only for emergencies.

The tribes along more densely inhabited Puget Sound, especially those with intermingled “checkerboard” territories, don’t have the option—another big source of concern. The Tulalip Tribes abut the blue-collar town of Marysville in Snohomish County, where America’s first Covid-19 case appeared. They have 10 active cases, with two more suspected and 12 test results pending, but until a few days ago were able to obtain only 50 test kits at a time. Thanks to the community grapevine, “we’d hear if a native person got sick,” Chairwoman Teri Gobin says. “But most people living on the reservation are nonnative. On most reservations, we don’t know who’s sick [among nonmembers] unless they self-report.”

Thirty miles up the Sound, the smaller Swinomish Tribe has seen just one Covid-19 case, in a young nontribal resident. The Swinomish could follow the Makahs’ lead and close the bridge connecting their reservation to the mainland, but that would compound the disruption the epidemic has already brought. “We’ve talked about it, but not yet,” deputy tribal Chairman Joseph Williams says. “We don’t have a grocery store, so we’d have to get all that stuff delivered. And over half the population is nonnative”­—and, presumably, more likely to resist.

The tribes have taken a heavier economic hit than other communities, even as they struggle to get emergency funds and medical supplies from the federal government. Local cities and counties, which have ongoing tax revenues, have retained all or most of their employees. With limited taxing authority, most tribes depend on their casinos and hotels, which closed in early or mid-March. “We’ve furloughed 95 percent of our gaming staff and 85 to 90 percent of government staff,” Gobin says. The Makah depend on fishing rather than chips, but with the restaurants and processors who buy their catches shut down, their boats sit as idle as the casinos to the east.

Unemployment and forced isolation fray the social fabric. “We’d had a pretty good stretch since we opened our wellness center,” Williams says. “We didn’t have any overdoses for a couple years. Since then, we’ve seen extra drug problems. We’re seeing a rise in alcohol and marijuana sales” at nearby stores.

Down at Tulalip, Gobin hasn’t seen a rise in alcohol problems or domestic abuse, but the local cannabis shop “spiked to its highest sales ever.” What saddens her is the way cherished traditions must yield to public safety. “Our funerals are not one or two days,” she says. “We’re there for the family all week.” When a beloved elder died of Covid-19, “we could not do that. The family couldn’t be there at the cemetery when they put her in the ground. They had to do it with the nurse putting them on FaceTime.

“I can’t imagine burying my mother without being there.”

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/15/coronavirus-rural-america-covid-19-186031

 

 

[Snake]

I'd worry about Chicago....

[Anler]

Just now, Snake said:

I'd worry about Chicago....

No you wouldnt

[Snake]

Just now, Anler said:

No you wouldnt

Maby Vince can care for all of us!

[Jimmy Snacks]

2 minutes ago, Snake said:

Maby Vince can care for all of us!

Maybe you can go eat a dick little MoeMoe. 

Good article Vince and the exact reason Whitmer did what she did here.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Jimmy Snacks

[Anler]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

Maby Vince can care for all of us!

Chicago has a very good emergency response infrastructure and some of the top hospitals in the country. Hotels and McCormick place (a large venue for car shows and such) were commissioned weeks ago for over flow of patients. Business and govt have corresponded to respond as soon as it hit. No big protests and no panic issues so far. 

[Snake]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Maybe you can go eat a dick little MoeMoe. 

Good article Vince and the exact reason Whitmer did what she did here.

YOU CANT TALK TO VINCE THAT WAY!!! WHY I OUGHTTA........

Shut the fuck up you grotesque ass kisser. Fuck give the man's ass a break will ya?

[Mileage Psycho]

5 minutes ago, Snake said:

I'd worry about Chicago....

No you don't

Illinois issued a stay at home order either the same day or the day after California did, for two states that have a large population and many large urban areas we have kept our numbers down pretty damn good.

[Jimmy Snacks]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

YOU CANT TALK TO VINCE THAT WAY!!! WHY I OUGHTTA........

Shut the fuck up you grotesque ass kisser. Fuck give the man's ass a break will ya?

GFY....it's a good article and relevant to where I live...has nothing to do with Vince's ass and everything to do with you being a little cocksucker. 

BTW it applies to Maine as well dummy.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Jimmy Snacks

[Mileage Psycho]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

GFY....it's a good article and relevant to where I live...has nothing to do with Vince's ass and everything to do with you being a little cocksucker. 

BTW it applies to Maine as well dummy.

This article from STAT specifically talks about the Upper Peninsula and areas like it. I highlighted the mention of Blaine County Idaho as it relates to keeping people away from there rural second homes and resort areas.

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Coronavirus pandemic threatens to take crushing toll on rural areas, data show

s the coronavirus crisis careens toward smaller towns and rural areas, a new data project highlights a stark, looming reality: This pandemic could take a crushing toll on rural areas that are less prepared than many of their urban counterparts.

The examination of every U.S. county’s preparedness level, produced in a STAT collaboration with the Center on Rural Innovation and Applied XL, also reveals that some rural areas are better prepared than others.

Portions of states like Vermont and New Hampshire and regions like the Midwest, for example, appear equipped to better handle the brunt of the outbreak than other rural communities.

The dashboard also points to the places at higher risk. Some are areas where concerns have already been raised — including segments of the Deep South, where some governors were slow to implement physical distancing measures, and sparsely populated expanses in Western states outside larger cities. Others, like the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which has suffered hospital closures, have received less attention.

“There are variations in terms of capacity and demographics in rural areas around the country, and those variations can have life-and-death implications in this pandemic,” said Matt Dunne, the executive director for the Center on Rural Innovation, which was established in 2017 to identify ways to close the urban-rural opportunity gap. 

The dashboard aims to look deeper than statewide preparedness and scored counties based on measurements like the number of nearby critical care staff and hospital beds and the underlying demographics of the community, including age and socioeconomic conditions. It also incorporated data from a Covid-19 model that forecasts the intensity of the pandemic by state. (For more on the methodology, click here.)

Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, wrote in a tweet Monday that “reopening the US will be a careful, data-driven, county-by-county approach.”

Experts say the pandemic could accentuate the urban-rural divide in health measures, just as it has shined a light on other existing health disparities, killing disproportionate numbers of Black Americans, for example.

Support STAT: If you value our coronavirus coverage, please consider making a one-time contribution to support our journalism.

Some urban counties also scored low on the preparedness scale, often driven by the age of their population and low socioeconomic status. But as the pandemic spreads, rural areas overall are more vulnerable than their urban counterparts because they have older populations and higher rates of the health conditions that increase the risk of more severe Covid-19 infections. They also lack the specialized units and capacity that city health systems have mobilized to take care of an influx of patients with critical cases of the respiratory disease.

“There are different kinds of rural areas in the United States, but many of them suffer from a number of epidemics,” said Jorge Salinas, a University of Iowa epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist. “Epidemics of obesity, epidemics of diabetes, some parts of the Deep South have epidemics of HIV, epidemics of poverty generally.”

If these communities are dealing with populations in poorer health to begin with, then their access to care is also generally worse. Rural hospitals have been shuttered in droves in the past decade. Those that have survived are also not staffed with the specialists or resources like a fleet of ventilators that could be needed to absorb waves of severely ill patients.

It’s not just clinicians that are lacking. Caitlin Rivers of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security said at a media briefing last week that in some parts of the country, several counties share one epidemiologist, whose job it is to spot the spread of cases and coordinate strategies for stopping chains of transmission.

“The public health system tends to be less robust, less funded,” Rivers said.

The dashboard is intended to spotlight areas that might struggle with the impact of the pandemic should they get hit with a surge of cases, and those that authorities at the state and federal might need to assist, its developers said.

“We’re hopefully providing some signal of where to look first,” Dunne said. 

“You look at a place like the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which is very rural and has had hospital closures, and you see a lot of risk in that part of the state,” he said. 

Rural areas tend to feel protected from diseases that depend on people being in close contact with each other to spread. Indeed, experts say that with a pathogen like SARS-CoV-2 (the full name of the coronavirus), which was spreading in other countries before the United States, it made sense that the first places to feel the brunt here were major cities that imported lots of cases from travelers. Some of those went on to ignite community transmission. 

Indeed, the five states where governors have not ordered people to stay at home are relatively rural: Iowa, the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Arkansas.

But as cases grew in major urban areas, they spilled over to smaller cities, and from there to rural areas. Rural areas also might not realize the scope of the problem that is brewing in their communities; for all the well-publicized diagnostic testing snafus in cities, access to tests is even more limited in rural areas, experts say.

There are notable exceptions to the expectation that the pandemic will affect rural areas after cities. Idaho’s Blaine County has one of the highest infection rates in the country — city or rural. But it is home to a resort town, and it saw an early arrival of imported cases compared to other rural areas. Other smaller communities had “superspreader” events that caused a wave of early cases.

Population density can drive transmission, experts say, which is one reason cases in New York City are thought to have exploded the way they did. But with more people staying at home, transmission is often concentrated among people who share households — and that can happen no matter how dense the broader community is. One person can pick up the virus at work or at a gathering or through an errand and then bring it home to their families. Salinas, of University of Iowa, noted that workers in agriculture or meat processing often work and live in close quarters.

“It might have a harder time traveling to rural areas, but once it gets there, it will affect rural areas in a similar fashion to more densely populated areas,” he said.

Experts say the virus has likely arrived in most rural communities, with case counts picking up notably in some areas. But it can take some time to feel the full brunt of the crisis after it’s begun, because those who will need hospital care eventually take two or so weeks to get sick enough to get to that point. 

The staggered impact of the pandemic means that rural areas might enter the peaks of their local curves after the worst has passed through larger cities. In a way, this creates an opportunity. Resources like personal protective equipment and ventilators could be shuttled to communities in acute need if there are surpluses elsewhere. Medical societies have been trying to learn from the experiences of treating patients in cities to offer guidance to hospitals that so far have not been inundated.

Paul Biddinger, an emergency preparedness expert at Massachusetts General Hospital, said that hospitals in cities often direct patients to other medical centers to find the empty bed or the unused ventilator, even if the facilities are not part of the same network. He said rural hospitals and public health agencies needed to start preparing to similarly aggregate resources and manage capacity. 

“As more rural areas get hit,” Biddinger said, “clearly they will need to do the same.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/rural-communities-coronavirus-toll/

 

 

[SSFB]

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Until March 13, the local buzz was that the coronavirus threat was “being hyped up to make Trump look bad,” longtime resident Jan Davis says. “That flipped around as soon as Trump declared an emergency.

That's exactly what I saw on my Facebook, pretty comical. 

[Jimmy Snacks]

Over 30,000 cases and 2200 deaths in Michigan...it needs to be controlled where it is before it moves North.

[Anler]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Over 30,000 cases and 2200 deaths in Michigan...it needs to be controlled where it is before it moves North.

Well they better let scooter get his boat out in S MI then!

[frenchy]

21 minutes ago, SSFB said:

That's exactly what I saw on my Facebook, pretty comical. 

Trumpers ain't too bright....

[Anler]

1 minute ago, frenchy said:

Trumpers ain't too bright....

Well when the coronavirus wipes out the rural areas they will re-think things. This may be an evil democratic conspiracy after all!!!!11

[spin_dry]

The Spanish flu fucked with the rural areas the worst. The cities were less effected. We’ll see how this turns out. 

[Rod]

Rural people have had colds before. Not a big deal 

[Cold War]

The more dumb hicks that die who  don’t live in the city . The better.  They are all racist. 

[Anler]

1 minute ago, Cold War said:

The more dumb hicks that die who  don’t live in the city . The better.  They are all racist. 

And they are dumb

[Cold War]

1 minute ago, Anler said:

And they are dumb

Confederate flag waving, kid rock listening .........retards!!!!!

 

[Anler]

2 minutes ago, Cold War said:

Confederate flag waving, kid rock listening .........retards!!!!!

 

How come Hank Williams Jr. never sang a song about City folks can survive? 

[Cold War]

9 minutes ago, Anler said:

How come Hank Williams Jr. never sang a song about City folks can survive? 

Stupidity up

stock market down 

you only get the corona 19 if you go downtown. 

[Jimmy Snacks]

7 minutes ago, Cold War said:

Stupidity up

stock market down 

you only get the corona 19 if you go downtown. 

Exactly so all you dirty mofos stay south of Flint!!!!!!

[Cold War]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Exactly so all you dirty mofos stay south of Flint!!!!!!

I’m staying put!!!!  

 

[Jimmy Snacks]

1 minute ago, Cold War said:

I’m staying put!!!!