ArcticCrusher Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: I'd say that a socialist should, at a bare minimum, advocate for worker ownership of the means of production. Worker ownership of the means of production is the foundation of socialism. So if you hire someone to cut your grass, they own a part of your home? 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Like you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I had a small grey market extraction company, and I paid my only worker $300/day. So there's that... It takes something you didn't have to get it done, so you needed someone who had it. Now you and the ilk think it belongs to you. All talk no action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: and well they should, they are far more at risk than the workers. Given the business type they prob have a big chunk of their personal net worth on the line by guaranteeing the companies leases and suppliers. Hey tell that to Moto, he's the one that was all against it before it filled his wallet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, washedupmxer said: Hey tell that to Moto, he's the one that was all against it before it filled his wallet Shouldn’t everyone involved in that business pool all their assets and divide them equally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, ACE said: Shouldn’t everyone involved in that business pool all their assets and divide them equally? If you practiced what you preach yes. But we all know Moto don't we ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, washedupmxer said: Hey tell that to Moto, he's the one that was all against it before it filled his wallet oh i agree he's retarded with the stolen the value of their labor argument. Labor only has x value, it's worth no more than what someones willing to pay, if it was worth more someone else would pay more and drive up the price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I heard today on Twitter that Bernie used to murder women and children for stealing bread back in the USSR. True story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, Anler said: I heard today on Twitter that Bernie used to murder women and children for stealing bread back in the USSR. True story. Those facts have yet to be uncovered. Be patient my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, AKIQPilot said: Those facts have yet to be uncovered. Be patient my friend. Have you ever seen Bernie Sanders and George Soros in the same room? eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, Anler said: Have you ever seen Bernie Sanders and George Soros in the same room? eh? Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Angry ginger said: oh i agree he's retarded with the stolen the value of their labor argument. Labor only has x value, it's worth no more than what someones willing to pay, if it was worth more someone else would pay more and drive up the price. Labor makes everything. All value addition is performed at some point by labor. Even robots that replace manual labor are made by labor. Nothing outside of the natural world would exist without labor. Labor precedes capital, and is therefore superior to capital. Capital merely represents the reassignment of the value of someone else's labor unto someone else who didn't perform any. You see people describe the above as 'socialism', when really it's capitalism that takes things someone earned and gives them to someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rod Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Nothing puts people into poverty faster than communism, and nothing pulls people out of poverty faster than capitalism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I like capitalism and I also like being the dictator of my capitalist company. Zero democracy just capitalistic fascism. And believe it or not the employees like it better that way too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Anler said: I like capitalism and I also like being the dictator of my capitalist company. Zero democracy just capitalistic fascism. And believe it or not the employees like it better that way too. Of course they do. They want to be led by someone they think is smarter than them and someone who will make good decision for the company. When given the opportunity most people would rather be led than be the leader. I worked on crews from 10 to 300 employees for 35 years. It was always hard to find someone who really wanted to step up and be responsible for the decisions that they made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Of course they do. They want to be led by someone they think is smarter than them and someone who will make good decision for the company. When given the opportunity most people would rather be led than be the leader. I worked on crews from 10 to 300 employees for 35 years. It was always hard to find someone who really wanted to step up and be responsible for the decisions that they made. Yep, ultimately someone has to step up and take responsibility and not alot of people really want to do that. They like to take credit for the good stuff but not responsibility for the other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Of course they do. They want to be led by someone they think is smarter than them and someone who will make good decision for the company. When given the opportunity most people would rather be led than be the leader. I worked on crews from 10 to 300 employees for 35 years. It was always hard to find someone who really wanted to step up and be responsible for the decisions that they made. Yup. There always has to be a leader because people need to be led. And anyone that has the responsibility of making decisions will need to have greater compensation for their time to make it worth it. And you do own your labour in capitalism. You can choose where you work and who your sell your labour too. And if you want your labour to be worth more you can increase your skills to make your labour more valuable in communism you own your labour too but the value of that labour is basically zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Anler said: Yep, ultimately someone has to step up and take responsibility and not alot of people really want to do that. They like to take credit for the good stuff but not responsibility for the other stuff. Moto sees no value in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, ACE said: Yup. There always has to be a leader because people need to be led. And anyone that has the responsibility of making decisions will need to have greater compensation for their time to make it worth it. And you do own your labour in capitalism. You can choose where you work and who your sell your labour too. And if you want your labour to be worth more you can increase your skills to make your labour more valuable in communism you own your labour too but the value of that labour is basically zero. A union environment could never exist if people didn't want to be led around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, ACE said: Yup. There always has to be a leader because people need to be led. And anyone that has the responsibility of making decisions will need to have greater compensation for their time to make it worth it. And you do own your labour in capitalism. You can choose where you work and who your sell your labour too. And if you want your labour to be worth more you can increase your skills to make your labour more valuable in communism you own your labour too but the value of that labour is basically zero. Absolutely 100% correct. I took my first full time leadership position in my 3rd year of employment with BP. I passed on several promotions but took a few too. I was very blessed but did dedicate everything to my work when I was on shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 19, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Taking a shit listening to Morning Joe on the Sirius App....fuck they are hammering on Bernie and pushing Biden hard. Imploring Elizabeth Warren to attack Bernie. Edited February 19, 2020 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 19, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 19, 2020 Mika just said I wonder what the "Democrat Party's" decision will be...doesn't mention the voters.....At least they are up front about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 Bernie bought a half million dollar summer home in 2016, probably used some leftover funds I dont have that.........can I use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Holy shit this last page cranked the stupid up to 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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