frenchy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: Anecdotal evidence is kind of useless. And yet our system works better for most people than the US one does. The median net worth of Canadians is higher than that of the US. 50% of Canadians have a higher net worth and 70% of US citizens. The per capita debt of US citizens is $67,000.00 per person. Canada's is less than $15,000.00. That is quite a disparity. It probably has something to do with a more equitable tax system and a closer ratio of worker pay to eco pay. Weird how allergic to facts people have become in the Trump era. public or private? Either way I think your numbers are way off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, frenchy said: public or private? Either way I think your numbers are way off. No, those numbers are quite close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2020 Gas price in the US $2.60/Gallon Gas price Canada $1.30 liter or $4.93/Gallon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Gas price in the US $2.60/Gallon Gas price Canada $1.30 liter or $4.93/Gallon that's to my point as well. Sin taxes here and consumer based taxes on gas and virtually anything you buy are way higher. if you are on the upper end of middle class or upper middle class your dollar goes wayyyyyy farther in the US than it does in Canada. Never mind the difference in income tax between Canada/the provinces and the US/states. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, frenchy said: that's to my point as well. Sin taxes here and consumer based taxes on gas and virtually anything you buy are way higher. if you are on the upper end of middle class or upper middle class your dollar goes wayyyyyy farther in the US than it does in Canada. Never mind the difference in income tax between Canada/the provinces and the US/states. We collect over $21,000 per person in the US in fed, state and local taxes. $84,000 per family of four. Tax revenue is not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Opps. Barbie’s self induced threads of beatings are almost as funny as MC’s. I bet they are both “cutters”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Highmark said: We collect over $21,000 per person in the US in fed, state and local taxes. $84,000 per family of four. Tax revenue is not an issue. DC has about a seven year olds ability and grasp on income and expenditures. They just don’t care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, frenchy said: public or private? Either way I think your numbers are way off. Their portion of the public debt. Do a google search. You can apologize later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2020 GDP per capita US is 50% greater than Canada's. US $65,111 Canada $42,212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Opps. https://www.debtclock.ca Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Highmark said: We collect over $21,000 per person in the US in fed, state and local taxes. $84,000 per family of four. Tax revenue is not an issue. I wasn't inferring it was. Just saying Canadians get taxed at a higher rate, and much higher when you blend provincial and federal vs federal/state in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, revkevsdi said: https://www.debtclock.ca Oops. you're so fucking dumb. Add provincial debt and get back to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, frenchy said: I wasn't inferring it was. Just saying Canadians get taxed at a higher rate, and much higher when you blend provincial and federal vs federal/state in the US. Sure.....and that makes it worse IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, frenchy said: I wasn't inferring it was. Just saying Canadians get taxed at a higher rate, and much higher when you blend provincial and federal vs federal/state in the US. Yes , the real test is disposable after tax buying power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, frenchy said: you're so fucking dumb. Add provincial debt and get back to us. FYI that US figure is only their portion of the 22 trillion debt not unfunded liabilities. It doesn't include state or city debts. Why do you want to include provincial debt but not state debt. Are you being dishonest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Yes , the real test is disposable after tax buying power. Or is the real test the median net worth of the citizens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, revkevsdi said: Or is the real test the median net worth of the citizens? That may tell one who is better at saving. Says nothing about quality of life. Snotty tells us he is rich. But a great day for him is taking a ride without shitting himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, frenchy said: you're so fucking dumb. Add provincial debt and get back to us. are you really trying to argue that Canadians owe more money than THE USA MOST IN DEBT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD Its not even close Frenchy, I ask you to go add up the Provincial and Federal debt and come back holy fuck Add in the price of Health Care they are even further in debt compared to Canadians If you look at debt per tax payer in USA its 187k each - https://www.usdebtclock.org/ adding 1 Trillion a year is going to add up quick, 10 times what Canada's deficit is per capita - but Donny is smart business mad right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: are you really trying to argue that Canadians owe more money than THE USA MOST IN DEBT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD Its not even close Frenchy, I ask you to go add up the Provincial and Federal debt and come back holy fuck Add in the price of Health Care they are even further in debt compared to Canadians If you look at debt per tax payer in USA its 187k each - https://www.usdebtclock.org/ adding 1 Trillion a year is going to add up quick, 10 times what Canada's deficit is per capita - but Donny is smart business mad right I never said that you mouth breathing anchor on Canadian productivity. Edited January 27, 2020 by frenchy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 42 minutes ago, frenchy said: I wasn't inferring it was. Just saying Canadians get taxed at a higher rate, and much higher when you blend provincial and federal vs federal/state in the US. ? without posting the 50 different state taxes, USA isn't taxed less than Canadians - and rich Canadians keep more of their money This includes Health Care for Canadians so the difference is even more in favour of Canadians Generally Canadians make more money on average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: ? without posting the 50 different state taxes, USA isn't taxed less than Canadians - and rich Canadians keep more of their money This includes Health Care for Canadians so the difference is even more in favour of Canadians Generally Canadians make more money on average you're a fucking idiot. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redheaded Stepchild Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 hours ago, revkevsdi said: Why is your per capita debt so much higher? Why do Canadians have a higher net worth? You spelled net debt wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: Opps. Thats per capita, shall we apply this formula to all statistics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, frenchy said: public or private? Either way I think your numbers are way off. US has over $100 trillion in debt when you factor in all PUBLIC debt. Edited January 27, 2020 by Anler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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