F3600 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 You occasionally hear of these types of accidents, talk about nightmares. https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-woman-dies-after-getting-caught-in-raisin-processing-machine-police-say 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, F3600 said: You occasionally hear of these types of accidents, talk about nightmares. https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-woman-dies-after-getting-caught-in-raisin-processing-machine-police-say Safety is huge these days and it's not going away. My guess is to retro the equipment in there to sil 3 would take more than what the place is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: Safety is huge these days and it's not going away. My guess is to retro the equipment in there to sil 3 would take more than what the place is worth. In 2001 I was assigned to a process engineer to develop the SIL and LOPA criteria for the process facility I was working in. Some of the terms were a little strange to me at the time but our SIS’s and LOPA’s were all in place. Within a month or so BP realized this was a much bigger challenge than they first thought. Next thing you know I am helping 6 process engineers create the LOPA’s and SIF architecture for all of BP’s North Slope process facilities. Our plants were already very very automated and there were multiple layers of protection for every process. The SIL/SIS process just gave us a platform for being able to confirm the safety process worked and were robust enough to prevent an incident. It was really fun training process engineers on how our facilities worked and the multi layers of protection in place already. I learned a lot about the SIS, SIL, SIF and LOPA process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 There’s a local mfg of commercial washing machines. Three years ago they got cited because some safety cages were removed for some equipment and a woman had her arm plucked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Over the last 11 years I've been exposed at the frontline of the evolution of industrial safety. From a company that prided itself on being cowboys and taking chances in its infancy to a fortune 200 company where safety is paramount. It's been an I teresting journey and safety really is everything. What it really boils down to is company rules and how much are you paying me to assess and inherit risk. For $200 an hour I'm willing to do a lot more and bend a lot more rules than I am at $50 an hour. It's really that simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: In 2001 I was assigned to a process engineer to develop the SIL and LOPA criteria for the process facility I was working in. Some of the terms were a little strange to me at the time but our SIS’s and LOPA’s were all in place. Within a month or so BP realized this was a much bigger challenge than they first thought. Next thing you know I am helping 6 process engineers create the LOPA’s and SIF architecture for all of BP’s North Slope process facilities. Our plants were already very very automated and there were multiple layers of protection for every process. The SIL/SIS process just gave us a platform for being able to confirm the safety process worked and were robust enough to prevent an incident. It was really fun training process engineers on how our facilities worked and the multi layers of protection in place already. I learned a lot about the SIS, SIL, SIF and LOPA process. We just quoted a process control upgrade on an existing system in San Fran and at a min today it will be at sil 3. I love the new safety controllers with sil 3 being implemented over Ethernet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I was the only witness to a structural type of Collapse on a building we were bidding a job at. I dove clear,but my supervisor fell 14’ down into a small air shaft. Took the fire department 1 1/2 hours to get him out. He didn’t die but career ending injuries. It happened 4 years ago and I’m still getting called into depositions. From experience,never get hurt on a job,and more importantly,never be a witness to a job site accident involving death or a multi million dollar plus claim. The building owner named me in the law suit . Shit gets ugly with big money job site accidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: Over the last 11 years I've been exposed at the frontline of the evolution of industrial safety. From a company that prided itself on being cowboys and taking chances in its infancy to a fortune 200 company where safety is paramount. It's been an I teresting journey and safety really is everything. What it really boils down to is company rules and how much are you paying me to assess and inherit risk. For $200 an hour I'm willing to do a lot more and bend a lot more rules than I am at $50 an hour. It's really that simple It’s why I get paid the wage I get. We do a lot of risky jobs,but safety is #1. That first pic looks nuts? If you look under the handrail,you and your tools are tied off to that cable. No more cowboy shit on job sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Woodtick said: It’s why I get paid the wage I get. We do a lot of risky jobs,but safety is #1. That first pic looks nuts? If you look under the handrail,you and your tools are tied off to that cable. No more cowboy shit on job sites. Fuck that. No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Fuck that. No way. I love taking desk guys like you up in a 135' manlift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, f7ben said: I love taking desk guys like you up in a 135' manlift Man lifts are easy. Try a boatsman chair in a pipe chase in a high rise. Elevator shafts are another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, Woodtick said: Man lifts are easy. Try a boatsman chair in a pipe chase in a high rise. Elevator shafts are another one. It's all about getting used to the optics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Quote Couldn't pay me enough to do that high work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Woodtick said: It’s why I get paid the wage I get. We do a lot of risky jobs,but safety is #1. That first pic looks nuts? If you look under the handrail,you and your tools are tied off to that cable. No more cowboy shit on job sites. My days of climbing silos is over. Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: It's all about getting used to the optics Going across a roof that has deep snow on it. Knowing it has sky lights,but you can’t see them. I pull the plug on that shit,even if it’s one story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, f7ben said: I love taking desk guys like you up in a 135' manlift I’ll do a lot of shit. Not heights though. Skydive, sure. But not hanging on the side of fucking towers or buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, spin_dry said: I’ll do a lot of shit. Not heights though. Skydive, sure. But not hanging on the side of fucking towers or buildings. I remember shingling a steeple on the front of a church about 50' up when I was 25 or so. I wanted that money so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 The first two pics I posted are the stairs going around the diamond glass roof on this building. All of that glass has a snow melt spray system. It has two boilers and a bunch of zones. It sprays 160deg water on the glass preventing Ice and snow build up. Lots of crazy stuff in the industrial HVAC world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Damn that's cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: I remember shingling a steeple on the front of a church about 50' up when I was 25 or so. I wanted that money so bad. I did a ton of stupid shit in the Navy. There is a reason why 90% of the military is under the age of 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: Damn that's cool It’s very similar to a irrigation system,it just uses hot water. Shit ton of safety training and insurance to get on that roof. FBI back ground check and every inch is camera covered. We bill out at about $200 a hour for those types of jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, Woodtick said: It’s very similar to a irrigation system,it just uses hot water. Shit ton of safety training and insurance to get on that roof. FBI back ground check and every inch is camera covered. We bill out at about $200 a hour for those types of jobs. That's about fair for that type of work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 6 yrs in construction before transferring to operations in 89 for another 30. Not a soul was killed during the construction phase but of course there were injuries. Heights never scared me back then when I was 18-24 but they do nowadays! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Blackstar Posted January 26, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Woodtick said: It’s why I get paid the wage I get. We do a lot of risky jobs,but safety is #1. That first pic looks nuts? If you look under the handrail,you and your tools are tied off to that cable. No more cowboy shit on job sites. My stomach turns just looking at the pics. Guess I won't be sending in my resume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 If I was ment to be any higher off the ground, I would have grown more lol. I really enjoy being on top of roof tops and the like. But the things that get me up there such as man lifts or ladders, fuck that shit. Do not trust at all lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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