revrnd Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Sksman said: You are such a dope. Cubas hotels are over 50% owned by the military. So stay in a hotel gives money to military. Average wage for cleaner in hotel,is $20/month. Lucky we help them out eh Fail. That's the figure Stephen LeDrew gave as the wage. I wasn't sure if that was just a figure he was pulling out of thin air. W/ an income like that they'll be lining up to buy machinery & cereal from Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 38 minutes ago, Sksman said: You are such a dope. Cubas hotels are over 50% owned by the military. So stay in a hotel gives money to military. Average wage for cleaner in hotel,is $20/month. Lucky we help them out eh Fail. LINK? I think they are doing better than 75 cents a day - and if not even more reason to lift embargo's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 39 minutes ago, revrnd said: That's the figure Stephen LeDrew gave as the wage. I wasn't sure if that was just a figure he was pulling out of thin air. W/ an income like that they'll be lining up to buy machinery & cereal from Canada. In 2011, Canada exported over $115.1 mil lion in domestic agri - food products to Cuba. This is an increase of over 9% from 2010 ($105 million), which accounted for approximately 7% of Cuba's food imports. Top agri - food exports from Canada to Cuba in 2011 included wheat nes and meslin, accounting f or more than half of all agri - food exports (55.3%), followed by dried, shelled peas (16.7%), durum wheat (6.9%), milk powder (5%), and boneless, frozen bovine cuts (3.6%). Of Canada's largest agri - food exports, products which lead growth in 2011 included wheat nes and meslin (increase of 25.8%), durum wheat (increase of 216.7%), milk powder (increase of 50.9%) chicken and capon cuts and edible offal (increase of 1,629.8%), cured swine bellies, streaky and cuts (increase of 57.7%), lucerne (alfalfa) meal and pellets (increase of 123.1%), and frozen nes swine cuts (increase of 304.7%). Canada's Top 5 Agricultural Exports to Cuba (2011) Wheat nes and meslin $63.7 million Peas, dried, shelled $19.2 million Durum wheat $8.0 million Milk powder (not exceeding 1.5% fat) $5.8 million Bovine cuts boneless, frozen $4.2 million here is a pdf of what was done in 2015 - 1/2 billion they buy from canada http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/ci-ci/assets/pdfs/fact_sheet-fiche_documentaire/Cuba-FS-en.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Alberta's exports to Cuba: CDN $52.5 million (2010) Alberta's main exports to Cuba: Wheat Parts of boring or sinking machinery Additives for mineral oils Machinery for washing or screening stones Electrical parts and appliances Milk/cream powder Filtering or purifying machinery Motor vehicles (non-transport purposes) Engines Lifting machinery Iron or steel articles Plastics Pumps Mechanical shovels and excavators Parts of instruments for measuring liquids or gases Surveying or geophysical instruments Rock drilling or earth boring tools Canada's main exports to Cuba: Sulphur Wheat Peas Potash Copper Worn clothing and textile articles Milk/cream powder Parts of boring or sinking machinery Iron or steel articles, structures and parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Still peanuts in the grand scheme especially when you consider this is for all of Canads. There are single companies that exceed that many times over each year let alone a whole country 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, 02sled said: Still peanuts in the grand scheme especially when you consider this is for all of Canads. There are single companies that exceed that many times over each year let alone a whole country well the do under 1.8 billoin a year and near 1/3 with Canada - In their big picture we are a huge asset to Cuba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, 02sled said: Still peanuts in the grand scheme especially when you consider this is for all of Canada. There are single companies that exceed that many times over each year let alone a whole country To put this number in perspective: General Motors will spend US$877 million to build a new body shop and assembly equipment at its Flint Truck Assembly plant. (From the Detroit Free Press. The new paint shop in Oshawa (visible from the 401) was a CDN$500 million investment when it was built in the 2000s. Just recently Fiat Chrysler announced they will spend CDN$325 million to refurbish the paint shop in Brampton. Any trade is good, but I wouldn't say that Cuba's trade is significant to the Canadian economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Fail, just search Cuba average wage. Multiple sources $20/month. 30/month. Many very poor Cubans well below poverty. There living costs are much different. You posted a graph above from 2005 making projections to 2021. Link? What year was it produced? Cuban middle class represents how much of Cuban population? In 2013 there were 12 million people in Cuba. Your graph shows just over 2 million in middle class making $20,000 in their family. That leaves 10 million outside of middle class. There are not millions of rich people in Cuba. So vast majority are very poor. This is supported by most articles i have read. Most have very little disposable income. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 4 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: Alberta's exports to Cuba: CDN $52.5 million (2010) Alberta's main exports to Cuba: Wheat Parts of boring or sinking machinery Additives for mineral oils Machinery for washing or screening stones Electrical parts and appliances Milk/cream powder Filtering or purifying machinery Motor vehicles (non-transport purposes) Engines Lifting machinery Iron or steel articles Plastics Pumps Mechanical shovels and excavators Parts of instruments for measuring liquids or gases Surveying or geophysical instruments Rock drilling or earth boring tools Canada's main exports to Cuba: Sulphur Wheat Peas Potash Copper Worn clothing and textile articles Milk/cream powder Parts of boring or sinking machinery Iron or steel articles, structures and parts $52 million /year we export to a country with a population 12million people. State run. I guess JT was down there to get imports elevated to 100million with government spending. Use his policical contacts. That would be why he avoided the slums and desolate areas. Stuck to the state controlled tourist spots. Selfies dont look good when your standing with poor people in run down shacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: well the do under 1.8 billoin a year and near 1/3 with Canada - In their big picture we are a huge asset to Cuba The point Cuba isn't a huge asset to Canada and this trip for Truedope did NOTHING for Canada or its economy or Canadians but it gave Sophie and him a week in the sun and yet another chance for hey everyone look at me and take my picture. Where do you suddenly pull $1.8B from since the graph you showed was under $200M? Or are you screwed up on your math as usual and confusing $180M as $1.8B. Or are you trying to say Cuba will import $1.8B and 1/3 with Canada. If you are your own graphics and statements are wrong. 1/3 of $1.8B is vastly different than the under $200M in your graph or are you still pulling numbers out of your head. Edited November 18, 2016 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Sksman said: Fail, just search Cuba average wage. Multiple sources $20/month. 30/month. Many very poor Cubans well below poverty. There living costs are much different. You posted a graph above from 2005 making projections to 2021. Link? What year was it produced? Cuban middle class represents how much of Cuban population? In 2013 there were 12 million people in Cuba. Your graph shows just over 2 million in middle class making $20,000 in their family. That leaves 10 million outside of middle class. There are not millions of rich people in Cuba. So vast majority are very poor. This is supported by most articles i have read. Most have very little disposable income. no doubt they are not rich, but than again how many in Canada are not rich and live pay to pay? Not sure why but only 2011-12 years seem to come up when searching Cuba, something must of happened around that date to make the news report on it. If you can link to people only making .75c a day please post it - the chart posted says making OVER 20k. as for 10 million outside middle class earnings, all children and all seniors would fall into that class. What does that leave? What exactly are you and 02sled arguing about? leave Cuba adn don't trade, Trudeau? oh I get it now Trudeau, its all clear now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Sksman said: $52 million /year we export to a country with a population 12million people. State run. I guess JT was down there to get imports elevated to 100million with government spending. Use his policical contacts. That would be why he avoided the slums and desolate areas. Stuck to the state controlled tourist spots. Selfies dont look good when your standing with poor people in run down shacks. Alberta - wow just fucking wow Canada does 1/2 billion its been stated many times already - near 1/3 of their entire trade. and we buy 1/2 billion from them. What don't you get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 You guys with your selfie comments really sound childish, why do you keep saying this shit? Your Trump you all hoped for Tweets anger and stuff dail why no comments about that? Oh I know why, its all clear again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, 02sled said: The point Cuba isn't a huge asset to Canada and this trip for Truedope did NOTHING for Canada or its economy or Canadians but it gave Sophie and him a week in the sun and yet another chance for hey everyone look at me and take my picture. ya that is Justin's goal - take my picture We are an asset to Cuba not the other way around What do we import from Columbia besides cocaine? Harper visited many times not a peep - actually not a peep about Harper in the 8 years of FS - again its all clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: Alberta - wow just fucking wow Canada does 1/2 billion its been stated many times already - near 1/3 of their entire trade. and we buy 1/2 billion from them. What don't you get? It's only you that seems to be able to imagine in your head $1/2B. We couldn't possibly buy $500M in cigars. What do they have that we need so badly. Still $500M is chump change. As pointed out look at what stand alone companies are investing in their own business Edited November 18, 2016 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 minute ago, 02sled said: It's only you that seems to be able to imagine in your head $1/2B your own graphics showed about $180M in total wrong Look I post the info right from canada gov site - you can believe or not I really don't care. Just go back to bashing JT on everything he does, claim selfie and call it a another worthless day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Just for you fail. I do not know how to copy a link. But google average wage in Cuba. Cubans saw their average monthly salaries increase in 2014 Written by RATB Print Email Published on 4 September 2015 by Cuban News Agency The average monthly salary in Cuba reported a significant 24-percent increase in 2014 with respect to the previous years, particularly for sugar workers, according to an article published on Juventud Rebelde newspaper. While the general monthly average salary grew to 584 pesos (some 24,3 US dollars at current exchange), compared to 471 pesos (some 19,6 dollars) in 2013, the sugar sector reported an average 963 pesos (some 40.1 dollars) a month. This salary raise was particularly due to the increase in the health sector, which employs over 400 thousand workers, as well as in some sports areas and in the foreign investment sector, meaning workers employed by companies operating with foreign capital, as part of a policy to gradually raise the salaries of state workers, the article explains and cites the National Statistics Office data on its Employment and Salary chapter. According to the article, no significant salary increase will take place in 2015, since the authorities have not announced any substantial salary growth in any state sector that involves a large mass of worker as it happened in 2014. Then those who saw their salaries grow more were employees in state companies and joint ventures, sugar workers, followed by those in the mining sector and in the area of science and technological innovation. Then came those in health care, social assistance, agriculture, livestock and ranching and in fishing. Meanwhile the lowest salaries were those of persons working in hotels, state restaurants which only reached some 377 pesos a month (some 15,7 dollars), 35,4 percent below the country's average salary of 5 84 pesos. Add to this group, those who work in the public administration, the defense, culture, sports and social security sectors, where monthly salaries reached up to 485 pesos (20.2 dollars). Education, a massive sector, also remain at 500 pesos as average monthly salary, little over 24 dollars. But the other side of the coin is that although the increase in the average monthly salary is considered significant, the salary is still far from playing its role to encourage labor and to meet daily necessities, given the huge gap between the wages and current prices of good and foodstuffs. What relieves the Cuban family's financial situation in socialist Cuba is that the salary is part of a stable income at the end of the day, given by free or highly subsidized services, which are really expensive in other countries. These expenses do not affect the salaries, since they are paid by the state, such as all medical and education services, pharmaceuticals, and utilities like telephone, water, and other ones. However, even with the capacity of Cuban families to join efforts to cushion everyday life necessities, some find it difficult to cope with low salaries and high prices, even more when there is still the challenge posed by a double-currency economy. Cuba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: You guys with your selfie comments really sound childish, why do you keep saying this shit? Your Trump you all hoped for Tweets anger and stuff dail why no comments about that? Oh I know why, its all clear again Nice try yet again at deflection. But you are slipping. The deflection is becoming more obvious. What is this topic... Oh yeah is Truedope doing a good job. Nothing about Trump but whe your taking your usual beating you try and deflect away to a totally different subject. Why do we mention selfies? Because that is what he made himself famous for. Even the media refers to his penchant for wanting his picture taken Edited November 18, 2016 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Sksman said: Just for you fail. I do not know how to copy a link. But google average wage in Cuba. Cubans saw their average monthly salaries increase in 2014 Written by RATB Print Email Published on 4 September 2015 by Cuban News Agency The average monthly salary in Cuba reported a significant 24-percent increase in 2014 with respect to the previous years, particularly for sugar workers, according to an article published on Juventud Rebelde newspaper. While the general monthly average salary grew to 584 pesos (some 24,3 US dollars at current exchange), compared to 471 pesos (some 19,6 dollars) in 2013, the sugar sector reported an average 963 pesos (some 40.1 dollars) a month. This salary raise was particularly due to the increase in the health sector, which employs over 400 thousand workers, as well as in some sports areas and in the foreign investment sector, meaning workers employed by companies operating with foreign capital, as part of a policy to gradually raise the salaries of state workers, the article explains and cites the National Statistics Office data on its Employment and Salary chapter. According to the article, no significant salary increase will take place in 2015, since the authorities have not announced any substantial salary growth in any state sector that involves a large mass of worker as it happened in 2014. Then those who saw their salaries grow more were employees in state companies and joint ventures, sugar workers, followed by those in the mining sector and in the area of science and technological innovation. Then came those in health care, social assistance, agriculture, livestock and ranching and in fishing. Meanwhile the lowest salaries were those of persons working in hotels, state restaurants which only reached some 377 pesos a month (some 15,7 dollars), 35,4 percent below the country's average salary of 5 84 pesos. Add to this group, those who work in the public administration, the defense, culture, sports and social security sectors, where monthly salaries reached up to 485 pesos (20.2 dollars). Education, a massive sector, also remain at 500 pesos as average monthly salary, little over 24 dollars. But the other side of the coin is that although the increase in the average monthly salary is considered significant, the salary is still far from playing its role to encourage labor and to meet daily necessities, given the huge gap between the wages and current prices of good and foodstuffs. What relieves the Cuban family's financial situation in socialist Cuba is that the salary is part of a stable income at the end of the day, given by free or highly subsidized services, which are really expensive in other countries. These expenses do not affect the salaries, since they are paid by the state, such as all medical and education services, pharmaceuticals, and utilities like telephone, water, and other ones. However, even with the capacity of Cuban families to join efforts to cushion everyday life necessities, some find it difficult to cope with low salaries and high prices, even more when there is still the challenge posed by a double-currency economy. Cuba Interesting post I wonder what free medicine, free healthcare, from hydro, free phone, free water, free free free adds up to - here we turn peoples hydro off for none payment I think there is more to this then you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, 02sled said: Nice try yet again at deflection. But you are slipping. The deflection is becoming more obvious. What is this topic... Oh yeah is Truedope doing a good job. Nothing about Trump but whe your taking your usual beating you try and deflect away to a totally different subject. Why do we mention selfies? Because that is what he made himself famous for. Even the media refers to his penchant for wanting his picture taken First thing is you don't even know what a selfie is, I have never seen Trudeau take a selfie but have seen regular people take a selfie with Justin, you know like they did with Rob Ford best Mayor ever - never a word about all the selfies he was in. If I saw Trudeau or Rob (rip) or Harper I wouldn't mind a selfie with any of them. Why not? What beating? I think Trudeau is doing fine so far world wide. You don't - how is that a beating in your world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: Interesting post I wonder what free medicine, free healthcare, from hydro, free phone, free water, free free free adds up to - here we turn peoples hydro off for none payment I think there is more to this then you think They are a highly subsidized country. The military owns/controls 50% of the hotels i read. So any travel there pretty much puts money direct to military. yes they have free health care etc. But the large majority also do not have a large disposable income. There is housing issues. If you are wealthy it is easy to move up in housing but the poor struggle to get by daily. I imagine similar to some cases here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 23 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: ya that is Justin's goal - take my picture We are an asset to Cuba not the other way around What do we import from Columbia besides cocaine? Harper visited many times not a peep - actually not a peep about Harper in the 8 years of FS - again its all clear Yet another deflection. Does your boss keep comparing you to the person who did your job before you. I don't think if your boss is giving you criticism you come back with Well Bob did. The topic is Truedope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: First thing is you don't even know what a selfie is, I have never seen Trudeau take a selfie but have seen regular people take a selfie with Justin, you know like they did with Rob Ford best Mayor ever - never a word about all the selfies he was in. If I saw Trudeau or Rob (rip) or Harper I wouldn't mind a selfie with any of them. Why not? What beating? I think Trudeau is doing fine so far world wide. You don't - how is that a beating in your world Because you are getting beat here on your perception that Truedope going to Cuba was a wonderful thing for Canadians and not just a paid for get away to the sun for him and Sophie. It did nothing for Canadians except piss away tax $s. Or perhaps the beating on the for profit Qatar funded hospital for tourists you think is a typical Cuban hospital Yes I do know what a selfie is and Truedope has done some, has posed for many and just loves every opportunity to get his picture taken. I wonder if Sophie had her government paid assistant along on the trip. She probably needed help choosing the outfit of the day Edited November 18, 2016 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: Interesting post I wonder what free medicine, free healthcare, from hydro, free phone, free water, free free free adds up to - here we turn peoples hydro off for none payment I think there is more to this then you think Here is another, doctor get salary increase to $67/month. That's right the difference between the lowest paid and one of the top paid is only a multiple of 3. Castro stole everything from the wealthy and middle for himself, then pays peanuts while making everyone dependent on government subsidies. Sounds like a Liberal utopia, no wonder Trudope is full of hugs and kisses. http://www.medicaldaily.com/cuban-doctors-get-salary-raises-67-month-after-government-cuts-100k-redundant-jobs-272310 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: ya that is Justin's goal - take my picture We are an asset to Cuba not the other way around What do we import from Columbia besides cocaine? Harper visited many times not a peep - actually not a peep about Harper in the 8 years of FS - again its all clear Show me one picture of Harper where he is hugging a POS like JT is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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