f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: I know that. Horizontal insulation around the perimeter of a footing was discontinued over 30 years ago here. It's not as effective as vertically insulating the footing. Wow....the footing is in cold space....I only care about trying to minimize frost penetration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Yeah, yeah...Jay...quit being such a thin skinned twat for a day...you might like it. Now you and Shit Tickets quit fucking up Bens thread!!! 🤣 Says the sites #1 little whiney thin skinned cunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: I completely understand that. The idea is to prevent the heat from escaping. Vertical insulation around the footing prevents the heat from escaping. Horizontal insulation does not. Dude.....there is no heat to escape. There will be 4" of foam under the slab. You are not understanding this at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Wow....the footing is in cold space....I only care about trying to minimize frost penetration. I'm just telling you that your method of insulating a footing was discontinued here 30 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: I'm just telling you that your method of insulating a footing was discontinued here 30 years ago. And I'm telling you that you have zero idea what's going on here You post pics of a monolithic slab with thickened perimeter and analer posts pics of a frost footing and crawl space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Dude.....there is no heat to escape. There will be 4" of foam under the slab. You are not understanding this at all I have been installing pex in slabs for over 30 years. Do what you want. I was only trying to provide a little guidance. Your method is the old way of insulating a footing. It's not done that way around here any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: And I'm telling you that you have zero idea what's going on here You post pics of a monolithic slab with thickened perimeter and analer posts pics of a frost footing and crawl space So show us an image of how you plan to insulate your footing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 22 hours ago, f7ben said: Started forming this up last night at 5pm. Was way low on grade so had to move over 4 yards of dirt by hand over 50' away. Poured at 9:30am. In AK, that footing and future slab would get vertical insulation around the perimeter of the footing. It would also get horizontal insulation and a vapor barrier above the compacted gravel but below the concrete slab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted September 15, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: Says the sites #1 little whiney thin skinned cunt I told you to quit fucking up the thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: I told you to quit fucking up the thread.... Go follow someone else around, Michigan Fatty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted September 15, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: Go follow someone else around, Michigan Fatty Pfffttt...certainly not following anybody especially you...now like I said..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Completely unrelated to my foundation. Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: This is closer but my footing is close to grade. Hence the emphasis on horizontal insulation out from the footing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Pfffttt...certainly not following anybody especially you...now like I said..... Bwahahahahaha... Riiiiiiiiiiight, because you never do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: This is closer but my footing is close to grade. Hence the emphasis on horizontal insulation out from the footing. Old school. Proven less effective over 30 years ago. From the University of Minnesota. Not even one time do they describe horizontal insulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: In AK, that footing and future slab would get vertical insulation around the perimeter of the footing. It would also get horizontal insulation and a vapor barrier above the compacted gravel but below the concrete slab. That is becoming standard practice here. Not yet code though. The good contractors put in a good vapor barrier that is sealed tight around any intrusions. (Radon thing, which I think is overblown.) Insulation works as a vapor barrier. I'm still a fan of doing the extra step and adding a good vapor barrier for livability. Concrete likes water. The vapor barrier opens up long term flooring options. Ben, it sounds like you are looking at frost protected footings. I like the additional comfort and heat loss protection of the vertical insulation on the footing. It may not be required, but it is worth the little bit of extra effort. You would be surprised how much heat and cold moves through that little bit of exposed footing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, favoritos said: That is becoming standard practice here. Not yet code though. The good contractors put in a good vapor barrier that is sealed tight around any intrusions. (Radon thing, which I think is overblown.) Insulation works as a vapor barrier. I'm still a fan of doing the extra step and adding a good vapor barrier for livability. Concrete likes water. The vapor barrier opens up long term flooring options. Ben, it sounds like you are looking at frost protected footings. I like the additional comfort and heat loss protection of the vertical insulation on the footing. It may not be required, but it is worth the little bit of extra effort. You would be surprised how much heat and cold moves through that little bit of exposed footing. I could see putting it vertically on the inside. The outside is getting stone veneer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: I could see putting it vertically on the inside. The outside is getting stone veneer. The outside of that footing is above grade? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: The outside of that footing is above grade? 2 side will be even with grade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: 2 side will be even with grade Do what you want but the entire perimeter of that footing should have vertical rigid insulation. Horizontal insulation would work on the below grade parts but only to supplement the vertical insulation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Do what you want but the entire perimeter of that footing should have vertical rigid insulation. Horizontal insulation would work on the below grade parts but only to supplement the vertical insulation. I just dont see the benefit at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: I just dont see the benefit at all. Have you found even one picture or drawing that shows a footing or foundation with horizontal insulation and not vertical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: Have you found even one picture or drawing that shows a footing or foundation with horizontal insulation and not vertical? I've been building for almost 20 years. I've got a good idea what I'm doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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