Cities run by Democrats

[SnowRider]

1 hour ago, Anler said:

Madigan is offering no concessions. The Illinois constitution requires a balanced budget which they havent had in a long time. If you watched the video youd see that Illinois has the highest property taxes in the country and the highest in unfunded liabilities. They are on a path to bankruptcy. Madigan's concession is another 7.5 billion in debt. Watch the video, Rauner is 100% correct in his claims...

Rauner can be 100% correct in his claims but what realistic solutions has he offered that are capable of passing?  Has he compromised?  Again - how much pain is big business and the wealthy elites gonna feel under a Rauner plan in his balanced budget? 

Edited June 6, 2016 by SnowRider

[racer254]

11 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Rauner can be 100% correct in his claims but what realistic solutions has he offered that are capable of passing?  Has he compromised?  Again - how much pain is big business and the wealthy elites gonna feel under a Rauner plan in his balanced budget? 

Just WOW.  All worried about Rauner, when the real problem has been the democrats.  They have caused the mess and again, you want to try and blame it on anyone but them. 

[Anler]

1 hour ago, SnowRider said:

Rauner can be 100% correct in his claims but what realistic solutions has he offered that are capable of passing?  Has he compromised?  Again - how much pain is big business and the wealthy elites gonna feel under a Rauner plan in his balanced budget? 

See right away you slam Rauner because he is a republican. Really he is more on an independent but ran on a republican ticket. He has been available to negotiate and has offered a budget and asked for recommendations. Madigan and senate speaker Cullerton have simply refused to negotiate and that is the truth of it. Not only have they refused to negotiate but have sat by idle while the states most vulnerable have suffered due to lack of state funding. This tactic has one purpose, to blame Rauner for the problem. When in fact Rauner has put forth numerous emergency funding bills to keep schools and state agencies functioning until they can fully negotiate a budget. The emergency funding bills were actually better funded than the previous allowances. Yet the speaker simply refused to put them up for vote. He only put forth his grossly exaggerated budget because he knew Rauner would veto it. If you actually looked at the budget Madigan submitted it is full of bullshit as usual which offers nothing to help the people of the state. The big problem is unless there is ANOTHER huge tax increase there is no possible way to pay the states pension obligations. The math just doesnt work. And the state has been losing employers and residents at record pace.

[SnowRider]

18 minutes ago, Anler said:

See right away you slam Rauner because he is a republican. Really he is more on an independent but ran on a republican ticket. He has been available to negotiate and has offered a budget and asked for recommendations. Madigan and senate speaker Cullerton have simply refused to negotiate and that is the truth of it. Not only have they refused to negotiate but have sat by idle while the states most vulnerable have suffered due to lack of state funding. This tactic has one purpose, to blame Rauner for the problem. When in fact Rauner has put forth numerous emergency funding bills to keep schools and state agencies functioning until they can fully negotiate a budget. The emergency funding bills were actually better funded than the previous allowances. Yet the speaker simply refused to put them up for vote. He only put forth his grossly exaggerated budget because he knew Rauner would veto it. If you actually looked at the budget Madigan submitted it is full of bullshit as usual which offers nothing to help the people of the state. The big problem is unless there is ANOTHER huge tax increase there is no possible way to pay the states pension obligations. The math just doesnt work. And the state has been losing employers and residents at record pace.

I don't care what party he belongs to - I'm always leary of billionaires who want to 'help'...especially with their version of trickled on economics.  If pensions and spending need pinched - fine - but couple it with closing tax loopholes, tax shelters, and raising taxes on billion dollar businesses and the wealthy elite.  He's a billionaire....what does his skin the game look like?  

[Anler]

1 minute ago, SnowRider said:

I don't care what party he belongs to - I'm always leary of billionaires who want to 'help'...especially with their version of trickled on economics.  If pensions and spending need pinched - fine - but couple it with closing tax loopholes, tax shelters, and raising taxes on billion dollar businesses and the wealthy elite.  He's a billionaire....what does his skin the game look like?  

He is a billionaire who is taking a $1 a year salary. This is Illinois, we have had 3 governors sentenced to prison from both parties. Chicago and Cook County are in total mess finacially. Somebody has to do something and he is the only one who has tried in my lifetime.

[1jkw]

7 minutes ago, Anler said:

He is a billionaire who is taking a $1 a year salary. This is Illinois, we have had 3 governors sentenced to prison from both parties. Chicago and Cook County are in total mess finacially. Somebody has to do something and he is the only one who has tried in my lifetime.

Sounds like he is trying.

Has he asked the federal government to increase reimbursement to the level of red states?

[racer254]

15 minutes ago, 1jkw said:

Sounds like he is trying.

Has he asked the federal government to increase reimbursement to the level of red states?

Do you really think that he should take the money from the rest of us for the excessive spending in Illinois?

[SnowRider]

4 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Do you really think that he should take the money from the rest of us for the excessive spending in Illinois?

The R's do it.. .  

[racer254]

Just now, SnowRider said:

The R's do it.. .  

So that makes it right in your mind? 

[1jkw]

3 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Do you really think that he should take the money from the rest of us for the excessive spending in Illinois?

He should be able to get the same amount of money for his state as the others get for theirs.

And they should cut excessive spending.

When you lose companies to other states with lower taxes because those states get nearly twice the money back from the federal government, I think it's reasonable to ask for the same reimbursement.

[SnowRider]

4 minutes ago, racer254 said:

So that makes it right in your mind? 

Maybe if they pulled a red state they'd be in better financial shape:

Now consider the bottom 10, i.e., the ones that give more to the federal government in taxes than they get in return. From 1 to 10, they are:

^{New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, Colorado.}

 

_{1.        New Mexico           Indian reservations, military bases, federal research labs, farm subsidies, retirement programs}

_{2.        Mississippi              Farm subsidies, military spending, nutrition and anti-poverty aid, retirement programs.}

_{3.        Alaska                     Per capita No 1 recipient of federal benefits; infrastructure projects, DOT and pork projects.}

_{4.        Louisiana                 Disaster relief, farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, military spending.}             

_{5.        W. Virginia              Farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid.}

_{6.        N. Dakota               Farm subsidies, energy subsidies, retirement and anti-poverty programs, Indian reservations.}

_{7.        Alabama                 Retirement programs, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, federal space/military spending, farm subsidies.}

_{8.        S. Dakota                Retirement programs, nutrition aid, farm subsidies, military spending, Indian reservations.}

_{9.        Virginia                   Civil service pensions, military spending, veterans benefits, retirement, anti-poverty aid.}

_{10.     Kentucky                  Retirement programs, nutritional and anti-poverty aid, farm subsidies.}

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/25/blue_state_red_face_guess_who_benefits_more_from_your_taxes.html

Edited June 6, 2016 by SnowRider

[Sal Rosenberg]

1 hour ago, Anler said:

See right away you slam Rauner because he is a republican. Really he is more on an independent but ran on a republican ticket. He has been available to negotiate and has offered a budget and asked for recommendations. Madigan and senate speaker Cullerton have simply refused to negotiate and that is the truth of it. Not only have they refused to negotiate but have sat by idle while the states most vulnerable have suffered due to lack of state funding. This tactic has one purpose, to blame Rauner for the problem. When in fact Rauner has put forth numerous emergency funding bills to keep schools and state agencies functioning until they can fully negotiate a budget. The emergency funding bills were actually better funded than the previous allowances. Yet the speaker simply refused to put them up for vote. He only put forth his grossly exaggerated budget because he knew Rauner would veto it. If you actually looked at the budget Madigan submitted it is full of bullshit as usual which offers nothing to help the people of the state. The big problem is unless there is ANOTHER huge tax increase there is no possible way to pay the states pension obligations. The math just doesnt work. And the state has been losing employers and residents at record pace.

 

 

Is this what you stayed behind and stomped your feet for , to type 1/2 page manifestos trying to rationalize with some complete retard hack ?    

[Zambroski]

Either side completely stonewalling the other at the price of getting ZERO accomplished is absolutely inexcusable!  Especially when what is hanging over their heads is a disaster already.  

What's even worse is one side blaming the other for it.  Far right fuckheads do the same shit sometimes.

There was a time when shit like this could be considered treasonous.  We should re-visit that idea.

 

[Anler]

12 minutes ago, Sal Rosenberg said:

 

 

Is this what you stayed behind and stomped your feet for , to type 1/2 page manifestos trying to rationalize with some complete retard hack ?    

Well the retarded hacks over here are more mentally stable than the other place. So to answer your question... yes.

[Anler]

14 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Either side completely stonewalling the other at the price of getting ZERO accomplished is absolutely inexcusable!  Especially when what is hanging over their heads is a disaster already.  

What's even worse is one side blaming the other for it.  Far right fuckheads do the same shit sometimes.

There was a time when shit like this could be considered treasonous.  We should re-visit that idea.

 

Agreed.

[Cold War]

Topic successfully deflected. 👍

This is another reason Republican won't win elections.

They let Dems marginalize them, run the narrative, and make them scramble around trying to defend themselves from phony charges of racism.

He pulled the rug out from under you guys and you don't even realize it.

[Cold War]

Wanna know why these cities are a mess?

The nasty ass rich guys moved away and took their jobs & opportunity with them.

 

[Capt.Storm]

19 minutes ago, Cold War said:

Wanna know why these cities are a mess?

The nasty ass rich guys moved away and took their jobs & opportunity with them.

 

The exodus of people with means is huge in upstate NY.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Capt.Storm

[1jkw]

21 minutes ago, Cold War said:

Wanna know why these cities are a mess?

The nasty ass rich guys moved away and took their jobs & opportunity with them.

 

Many times to foreign countries or other states where their federal tax dollars are sent at a rate nearly twice  the rate as the state they are moving from.

[Cold War]

7 minutes ago, 1jkw said:

Many times to foreign countries or other states where their federal tax dollars are sent at a rate nearly twice  the rate as the state they are moving from.

I'm sure that happens, but most people I know are working for small businesses.

They don't have the option to move out of state , much less a foreign country.

They live in the community, send their kids to the schools and spend their dollars there.

At some point enough is enough and people move to more business friendly areas.

I don't know anyone who is employed by a poor guy.

 

[Snake]

Blame a republican for Illinois?????

 

[Sleepr2]

2 hours ago, SnowRider said:

I don't care what party he belongs to - I'm always leary of billionaires who want to 'help'...especially with their version of trickled on economics.  If pensions and spending need pinched - fine - but couple it with closing tax loopholes, tax shelters, and raising taxes on billion dollar businesses and the wealthy elite.  He's a billionaire....what does his skin the game look like?  

Whatta load of BS!

[1jkw]

30 minutes ago, Cold War said:

I'm sure that happens, but most people I know are working for small businesses.

They don't have the option to move out of state , much less a foreign country.

They live in the community, send their kids to the schools and spend their dollars there.

At some point enough is enough and people move to more business friendly areas.

I don't know anyone who is employed by a poor guy.

 

I was referring to the business's moving to states with lower taxes, many times those states receive more federal  tax dollars and may actually be getting monies from the states business's are moving out of.

[Sleepr2]

4 minutes ago, 1jkw said:

I was referring to the business's moving to states with lower taxes, many times those states receive more federal  tax dollars and may actually be getting monies from the states business's are moving out of.

Perhaps the high tax states should check their spending before driving the businesses to other states?

 

BTW: businesses are not communes, they are for profit entities not created to provide high wagers for slackers that vote left,

[1jkw]

11 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said:

Perhaps the high tax states should check their spending before driving the businesses to other states?

 

BTW: businesses are not communes, they are for profit entities not created to provide high wagers for slackers that vote left,

Perhaps all states should receive the same percentage of federal tax returned to them, instead of some states getting nearly twice as much on average, therefore they are able to operate with lower state taxes.