Doorider Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The new V3 chargers get you 75 miles in just 5 minutes. It will take a while before those are abundant, but the rate tesla is going it won't be long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Oh they are just chomping at the bit to go to a milage tax don't you worry they will get their pound of flesh out of us. When/if electric cars and trucks out number gas vehicles the fees they would need to collect will get very expensive, some states already charge an extra small fee as there is not yet an abundance of electric vehicles, that will change. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15349979/the-tax-man-cometh-these-10-states-charge-extra-fees-for-electric-cars/ Edited March 12, 2019 by XCR1250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Hydrogen is just to complicated for automotive use. The best use would be for storage of wind and solar power. Hydrogen is litteraly the simpilist atom Put Man on the Moon 50 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Momorider said: Hydrogen is litteraly the simpilist atom Put Man on the Moon 50 years ago Some years back "Mother Earth" magazine had gasoline powered cars and trucks converted and running on Hydrogen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doorider Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Combustion engines, no matter the fuel are still very complex and inefficient. Yes batteries need more improvements, but electric is the future like it or not. For me, I like the idea of one moving part instead of... Pistons, crank shafts, cams, injectors, spark plugs, fuel pumps, oil pumps, oil filters, alternators, water pumps, belts, hoses, radiators, mufflers, catalytic converters, transmissions, differentials, etc etc etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doorider Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 A Tesla has less than 150 total moving parts. A typical car has over 10,000. Which looks like the better design? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 It’s funny how many people on here hate Tesla. Pissing on a Prius makes sense. But a Tesla? Wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Edmo said: Love to have a model S. Seems to be getting warmer. Our planet was also warm in the past. Not sold on the man made part. I think some are stretching the truth to get the results they want, and coming up with wild projections that aren’t based in reality. And that is hurting what credibility they might have had. Are you going to answer my question? What are you compensating for? 1 hour ago, Momorider said: more all this Sodomite posts My comments hit the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: When/if electric cars and trucks out number gas vehicles the fees they would need to collect will get very expensive, some states already charge an extra small fee as there is not yet an abundance of electric vehicles, that will change. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15349979/the-tax-man-cometh-these-10-states-charge-extra-fees-for-electric-cars/ But up until that time they can keep increasing the fuel tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Doorider said: A Tesla has less than 150 total moving parts. A typical car has over 10,000. Which looks like the better design? It’s really a no brainer. Electric is the way of the future. Ease of production, cost containment, durability, ultra low cost to maintain. Get the charge capacity up to 500-700 miles and recharge time down to 15 minutes and people will wave good bye to petro cars. It’s coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Momorider said: Hydrogen is litteraly the simpilist atom Put Man on the Moon 50 years ago And you’re a small colony of amoebas feasting on a shit pile. Edited March 12, 2019 by ActionfigureJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Rod Johnson said: Even if that’s true you still won’t buy one I never buy new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said: Oh they are just chomping at the bit to go to a milage tax don't you worry they will get their pound of flesh out of us. That’ll be easy to implement. Transponders. Just like aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 12, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, Doorider said: A Tesla has less than 150 total moving parts. A typical car has over 10,000. Which looks like the better design? Where did you read that? Teslas use electric motors that have two moving parts, and single-speed “transmissions” that have no gears. The company says its drivetrain has about 17moving parts compared with about 200 in a conventional internal combustion drivetrain. The Tesla system is virtually maintenance-free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doorider Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Highmark said: Where did you read that? Teslas use electric motors that have two moving parts, and single-speed “transmissions” that have no gears. The company says its drivetrain has about 17moving parts compared with about 200 in a conventional internal combustion drivetrain. The Tesla system is virtually maintenance-free. Total parts, not just the engine / motor. Have to factor in transmissions, differentials, fuel pumps etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 12, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Just now, Doorider said: Total parts, not just the engine / motor. Have to factor in transmissions, differentials, fuel pumps etc. Drivetrain generally includes many of those. Guess it depends on what they call "moving" and the difference between drivetrain and powertrain. Honestly even at the smaller scale you would think electric cars are much, much less expensive to make. A drivetrain warranty includes the transmission, driveshaft, axles, and wheels, but it does not include the engine. A powertrain warranty covers everything that makes a vehicle move, from the engine to the transmission to the parts that allow power to travel from the engine to the wheels. Edited March 12, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 12, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, revkevsdi said: Waiting for a plug in hybrid pickup Or an electric that can tow. They should have done that first. Who cares if your truck sucks gas when it’s loaded or towing. But if you could go full electric for 60-100 milles empty, there would be huge fuel savings. Ford has the plugin hybrid f150 coming out next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said: A couple of guys working at MIT have the best plan I have seen yet for future battery tech.....slow discharge capacitors. Unlike batteries they are made mostly of aluminum, carbon and non heavy metals. Plus because they store energy in a different way they can be charged much much faster than a battery. Toyota seems to be leading the pack with solid state battery tech. They have a functioning vehicle. Toyota has been on the forefront for sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Ford has the plugin hybrid f150 coming out next year. When you think about how shitty the mileage is in town for a truck, this would be huge. When I left for work, the first 4 vehicles were trucks with one person in them. Add mine and that’s 5. All in town none looked loaded or where towing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Toyota seems to be leading the pack with solid state battery tech. They have a functioning vehicle. Toyota has been on the forefront for sometime. Fisker is also working on solid state. They plan to have a reasonable priced (40k) car out in the next 2 years. Edited March 12, 2019 by Edmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Edmo said: Fisker is also working on solid state. They plan to have a reasonable priced (40k) car out in the next 2 years. Wouldnt want one out of warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, DAVE said: Wouldnt want one out of warranty. Or a Ford Truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Why does the uneducated alt left think the more intelligent people hate electric vehicles lol electric has many benefits. But the battery tech just isn’t there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, revkevsdi said: Waiting for a plug in hybrid pickup Or an electric that can tow. They should have done that first. Who cares if your truck sucks gas when it’s loaded or towing. But if you could go full electric for 60-100 milles empty, there would be huge fuel savings. Tow what? A kayak? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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