Anler Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Under the rules the special counsel is required to submit a confidential report to the AG, under the same rules the DOJ doesn't have any requirement to release the report to the public or the Congress. AG Barr has made it clear that the DOJ will refrain from publishing derogatory information about uncharged individuals. Even Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Anler said: Even Trump? Yes. And it will be the AG and DOJ that reads the report and decides what to divulge to the Congress and the public: Quote At the end of a special counsel’s investigation, section 600.8(c) of the regulation provides that a special counsel “shall provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel.” The special counsel’s obligation to file “a summary final report” is “limited.” The counsel’s report is to be “handled as a confidential document as are internal documents relating to any federal criminal investigation.” 64 Fed. Reg. 37041. The rule making order notes (64 Fed. Reg. 37040-41) the concerns about final reports under the Act, both with respect to the incentive they had created to “over-investigate” a matter and the fact that they could “do harm to legitimate privacy interests” if it became public. But the order also states (64 Fed. Reg. 37041) that “it is appropriate for any federal official to provide a written record upon completion of an assignment, both for historical purposes and to enhance accountability—particularly a federal official who has functioned with substantial independence and little supervision.” It observed (id.) that a concluding report from special counsel would not be unique: “In major cases, federal prosecutors commonly document their decisions not to pursue a case, explaining the factual and legal reasons for the conclusions they have reached.” As for “notifications and reports” (section 600.9) from the Attorney General to Congress, the order states (64 Fed. Reg. 37041) that the required reports would be “brief notifications, with an outline of the actions and the reasons for them.” As noted earlier, the Attorney General’s report at the conclusion of a special counsel’s investigation is to include (section 600.9(a)(3)) “a description and explanation” of any times in which the Attorney General countermanded a proposed action by a special counsel because it was “so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued.” Apart from that specific element of the Attorney General’s report at the end of an investigation, it is not altogether clear what that final report will contain. The discussion under section 600.8(c), on a special counsel’s closing report to the Attorney General, suggests (64 Fed. Reg. 37041) that consideration will be given to “[t]he interests of the public in being informed of and understanding the reasons for the actions of the Special Counsel.” As stated in the discussion under section 600.9(c) (at 64 Fed. Reg. 37041), another objective that may shape the content of the Attorney General’s report at the end of an investigation is the goal of helping to “ensure congressional and public confidence in the integrity of the process.” The regulation cannot govern, of course, whether the Judiciary Committees will release the reports from the Attorney General to them. As for the Attorney General’s own release of a report, the regulation provides (section 600.9(c)) that “[t]he Attorney General may determine that public release of these reports would be in the public interest, to the extent that release would comply with applicable legal restrictions.” Presumably, the major but not exclusive constraint on public release would be the restriction in Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure on release of grand jury information. Under section 600.9(c) of the regulations, the special counsel is not authorized to release information apart from “generally applicable Departmental guidelines concerning public comment with respect to any criminal investigation, and relevant law.” The project report similarly sought to curtail the breadth of reporting that occurred under the Act. Nevertheless, reporting is an instrument of accountability, and we recommended that special counsel be directed to submit annual reports to the Attorney General “on the progress of any investigation or prosecution conducted by the Special Counsel.” These annual reports should provide sufficient information for budgetary decisions and to enable the Attorney General to make a periodic decision whether to terminate an investigation. Concerning a final report, we recommended that it be simply one “which describes the work of the Special Counsel, including the disposition of all cases brought.” As for reports from the Attorney General to Congress, our report recommended (as the regulations provide) that the Attorney General submit a report explaining his or her removal of a special counsel or termination of an investigation. In the Attorney General’s regulation, the latter would be included in the required report “pon conclusion of the Special Counsel’s investigation.” Our project’s recommendation would leave to the Attorney General the power to determine whether to release to Congress or the public all or parts of a special counsel’s fiscal, annual, or final reports. In doing so, however, our report recognized that “Congressional oversight is, of course, a central element of accountability. The Attorney General’s duty, on behalf of the Executive Branch, to be responsive to Congress on matters within the latter’s responsibility should be sufficient assurance that information will be appropriately shared.” https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/attorney-generals-special-counsel-regulations/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Anler said: They will only release the stuff that looks bad for Trump and his associates. Any other dirty parties will receive confidentiality. holy fuck are you lost in all this. Trump has stacked the deck in his favor. So why in the hell would they release trump dirt and leave others out? Barr was hired, and others fired, for a reason. Edited February 20, 2019 by Snoslinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, F3600 said: Firing the head of the FBI,with the support of the AG (Session) and DAG(Rosenstein) is not obstruction, 100% legal. Not when they are investigating the president....the very person under investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Like Watergate congress is presented the results. If they are daring and warrant a impeachment they will decide the next move. During Watergate they met with Nixon and have him a alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I’m sure all the resident rww dipshits will be completely fine not seeing the entire report, and Barr’s versionof it instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Snoslinger said: I’m sure all the resident rww dipshits will be completely fine not seeing the entire report, and Barr’s versionof it instead Good times ahead... Bad for you though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Mainecat said: Like Watergate congress is presented the results. If they are daring and warrant a impeachment they will decide the next move. During Watergate they met with Nixon and have him a alternative. Congress will only be presented what Barr allows. Unless they subpoena the report or mueller himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Snoslinger said: I’m sure all the resident rww dipshits will be completely fine not seeing the entire report, and Barr’s versionof it instead And you'll have your out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, DAVE said: Good times ahead... Bad for you though. I’m sure you creamed your boot cut wranglers already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: And you'll have your out. I’ll be the judge of that. Not you or anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Snoslinger said: I’m sure you creamed your boot cut wranglers already Well you were so positive about everything before... Now not so much huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 20, 2019 Special Counsel Rules are the rules....it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: I’ll be the judge of that. Not you or anyone else OH Ok...SMH. Note to self...never bet with Slinger. Edited February 20, 2019 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, DAVE said: Well you were so positive about everything before... Now not so much huh. I still am. I am also convinced the other cases that have spawned over this, the ones in the southern district of NY, will be fruitful. Mueller’s job was to provide a report, and that’s it. It’s unfortunate that trump was able to stack the deck with cronies that will likely stop report from being released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: I still am. I am also convinced the other cases that have spawned over this, the ones in the southern district of NY, will be fruitful. Mueller’s job was to provide a report, and that’s it. It’s unfortunate that trump was able to stack the deck with cronies that will likely stop report from being released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Mileage Psycho said: Yes. And it will be the AG and DOJ that reads the report and decides what to divulge to the Congress and the public: 53 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: holy fuck are you lost in all this. Trump has stacked the deck in his favor. So why in the hell would they release trump dirt and leave others out? Barr was hired, and others fired, for a reason. So you are saying no dirt on Trump will be released? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaddisFly Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Mileage Psycho said: Under the rules the special counsel is required to submit a confidential report to the AG, under the same rules the DOJ doesn't have any requirement to release the report to the public or the Congress. AG Barr has made it clear that the DOJ will refrain from publishing derogatory information about uncharged individuals. Thanks for sharing the process. With that being said, the only way one side or the other will be able to say "I told you so" is if the whole report is released to the public. If that happens, there will be less ammunition to debate whether collusion occurred or not. IMO, a redacted or edited report will do nothing to lessen the current debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, CaddisFly said: Thanks for sharing the process. With that being said, the only way one side or the other will be able to say "I told you so" is if the whole report is released to the public. If that happens, there will be less ammunition to debate whether collusion occurred or not. IMO, a redacted or edited report will do nothing to lessen the current debate. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Anler said: So you are saying no dirt on Trump will be released? I’m saying trump firing certain people and hiring certain people is not just coincidence. This Barr clown voiced his negative opinion of the mueller report, and believes sitting presidents cannot be indicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: I’m saying trump firing certain people and hiring certain people is not just coincidence. This Barr clown voiced his negative opinion of the mueller report, and believes sitting presidents cannot be indicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted February 21, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Snoslinger said: Congress will only be presented what Barr allows. Unless they subpoena the report or mueller himself. The subpoena process along with some timely leaks will expose the report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, SnowRider said: The subpoena process along with some timely leaks will expose the report. Even better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted February 21, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, DAVE said: Even better! Not for Dump Fuck you’re stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, SnowRider said: Not for Dump Fuck you’re stupid If theres nothing what then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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