ActionfigureJoe Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 It's the least of donny's troubles at this point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Just now, ActionfigureJoe said: It's the least of donny's troubles at this point in time. Yup he will lose it all. Watch for him to run to Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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XCR1250 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/no-collusion-by-trump-with-russia-shown-in-new-cohen-and-manafort-court-filings 'No collusion' by Trump with Russia shown in new Cohen and Manafort court filings No mention of Russian collusion in Mueller filings Special Counsel Robert Mueller releases court filings on Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen; panel reaction on 'The Ingraham Angle.' When he was appointed a Justice Department special counsel in May 2017, Robert Mueller was assigned the task of determining whether presidential candidate Donald Trump and/or members of the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to elect Trump president. New court filings Friday by Mueller and federal prosecutors in New York City leave this central question unanswered. In 19 months, the Mueller probe has expanded again and again, taking an ever-widening look over many years at a broad range of activities by people associated with the Trump campaign or who had business dealings with Trump long before he moved into the White House. Some crimes that people have been charged with or even admitted to have nothing to do with Trump, but rather pertain to wrongdoing or alleged wrongdoing by people with some association with him. Unquestionably, this is a fishing expedition that has caught some fish. Mueller and his team of prosecutors have secured indictments, convictions and guilty pleas from people with some affiliation with Trump – but as yet, there is no “smoking gun” saying there was Trump-Russia collusion to defeat Hillary Clinton and install Trump in the Oval Office. Will this evidence turn up in the future? The only honest answer those of us without inside information can give is that we don’t know. Much of Mueller’s activities are cloaked in secrecy. Many of the documents he has filed in court have large amounts of information blacked out – “redacted” in legal terminology – so we have no idea what they say. But we have to wonder: How long will this investigation go on? How wide a net will it cast? How far back in time will it go? How many more millions of dollars will it cost American taxpayers? And finally, is the cloud the Mueller probe is casting over the Trump administration benefitting our nation, or simply weakening the president and preventing him from accomplishing the many things the American people elected him to do on our behalf? The latest chapter in this long saga took place Friday when a sentencing memorandum was filed in U.S. District Court New York City by the Justice Department dealing with former Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen. Cohen earlier pleaded guilty to multiple counts of business and tax fraud. He also pleaded guilty to making an excessive contribution to the Trump campaign and to making false statements to Congress regarding unsuccessful efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. The sentencing memo for Cohen shows there is clearly no love lost between him and the Justice Department, despite his pleading guilty to the charges against him. The Cohen memo was in sharp contrast to the sentencing recommendation that Mueller recently filed in the government’s case against retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who served for 24 days as President Trump’s national security adviser. That recommended little or no jail time. But the U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York asked the court to impose a “substantial term of imprisonment” against Cohen of about four to five years. The recommendation reflects what the Justice Department document calls Cohen’s “extensive, deliberate, and serious criminal conduct.” The Probation Department is recommending a sentence of 42 months in prison and a $100,000 fine for Cohen. The sentencing memorandum castigates Cohen, saying he was “motivated by personal greed, and repeatedly used his power and influence for deceptive ends.” The four crimes Cohen pleaded guilty to – tax evasion, false statements to a financial institution, illegal campaign contributions, and false statements to Congress – were “marked by a pattern of deception that permeated his professional life (and was evidently hidden from the friends and family members who wrote on his behalf).” In fact, Cohen’s criminal conduct, according to the sentencing memo, strikes “at several pillars of our society and system of government: the payment of taxes; transparent and fair elections; and truthfulness before government and in business.” And finally, is the cloud the Mueller probe is casting over the Trump administration benefitting our nation, or simply weakening the president and preventing him from accomplishing the many things the American people elected him to do on our behalf? The Justice Department accuses Cohen of seeking the “extraordinary leniency” of no prison sentence based on “his rose-colored view of the seriousness of the crimes” and his providing “certain information to law enforcement.” But the department downplays Cohen’s cooperation with Special Counsel Mueller, calling Cohen’s claim “overstated” and “incomplete.” In fact, the department says Cohen is not getting official recognition as a “cooperating witness.” The sentencing memo says Cohen’s providing of some information should be a “mitigating factor” but that he “repeatedly declined to provide full information about the scope of any additional criminal conduct in which he may have engaged or had knowledge.” This throws doubt on the idea that Cohen has secretly provided some kind of undisclosed information or evidence to the special counsel that bears on what is supposed to be the focus of Mueller’s investigation: whether there was any unlawful collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials to change the outcome of the 2016 election. Another interesting note in the sentencing recommendation is a statement by the Justice Department that indicates that Cohen greatly exaggerated his access to Trump. The department says that Cohen “secured a substantial amount of consulting business for himself” by claiming he had “unique insights and access to Individual-1,” referring to Trump. But while Cohen made millions of dollars from these consulting contracts, “his promises of insight and access proved essentially hollow” and he performed “minimal work,” according to the sentencing memo. It also says Cohen “used sophisticated tactics to conceal his misconduct.” After a lengthy description of Cohen’s crimes, the Justice Department says that his conduct “underscores the need for a substantial period of incarceration as a means to promote respect for the law and to deter future abuses by other individuals seeking improperly to influence the electoral process, evade taxes, or lie to financial institutions.” The department then spends eight pages explaining why the court should ignore Cohen’s request for a sentence of time served, with no additional jail time, because in essence, Cohen thinks “he is above the laws reflected in his crimes of conviction.” Yet it cannot be emphasized enough that once again, as with prior documents filed by the Justice Department and the special counsel dealing with other defendants, there is no information in Cohen’s sentencing memorandum about the issue of possible Trump-Russia election collusion. Perhaps there is such material in whatever information Cohen gave to the special counsel in his debriefing meetings. We can only guess. There were also new developments Friday in a separate case involving former Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort. Mueller filed a document in U.S. District court in Washington outlining his claim that Manafort breached a plea agreement when he “told multiple discernible lies” to Mueller’s office and the FBI that were “not instances of mere memory lapses.” Mueller says that Manafort met with the special counsel’s office 12 times and was called before a grand jury twice. Large portions of the filing are redacted, but Mueller contends that Manafort lied about his interactions with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian-Ukrainian political consultant who worked with Manafort. Mueller also contends that Manafort lied about: a wire transfer of $125,000 to a firm working for Manafort; information “pertinent to another Department of Justice investigation;” and “Manafort’s contact with Administration officials.” Manafort contends he has told the truth to Mueller. Once again, with the extensive redactions, there is no way to tell whether any of these alleged false statements had anything to do with the Russian election collusion investigation. If Manafort contests the government’s claims, as is likely, then the judge will hold a hearing where the special counsel says it will “prove the false statements.” If the judges in each of these cases adopt the government’s recommendations and claims, Cohen will be facing a handful of years in prison and Manafort, 69, could spend the rest of his life in prison. Manafort was convicted in August of eight counts of financial fraud and was facing another trial on additional felony charges when he agreed in September to plead guilty to two more felonies and to cooperate with Mueller’s office. What comes next? We simply don’t know, because Mueller has not lifted the curtain hiding much of his activities. But as of now, from what we know on the public record, Mueller has failed to prove the Trump-Russia collusion that he was appointed to investigate 19 months ago. Hans A. von Spakovsky is a Senior Legal Fellow at The Heritage Foundation. He is the coauthor of “Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk” and “Obama’s Enforcer: Eric Holder’s Justice Department.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 52 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/no-collusion-by-trump-with-russia-shown-in-new-cohen-and-manafort-court-filings 'No collusion' by Trump with Russia shown in new Cohen and Manafort court filings No mention of Russian collusion in Mueller filings Special Counsel Robert Mueller releases court filings on Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen; panel reaction on 'The Ingraham Angle.' When he was appointed a Justice Department special counsel in May 2017, Robert Mueller was assigned the task of determining whether presidential candidate Donald Trump and/or members of the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to elect Trump president. New court filings Friday by Mueller and federal prosecutors in New York City leave this central question unanswered. In 19 months, the Mueller probe has expanded again and again, taking an ever-widening look over many years at a broad range of activities by people associated with the Trump campaign or who had business dealings with Trump long before he moved into the White House. Some crimes that people have been charged with or even admitted to have nothing to do with Trump, but rather pertain to wrongdoing or alleged wrongdoing by people with some association with him. Unquestionably, this is a fishing expedition that has caught some fish. Mueller and his team of prosecutors have secured indictments, convictions and guilty pleas from people with some affiliation with Trump – but as yet, there is no “smoking gun” saying there was Trump-Russia collusion to defeat Hillary Clinton and install Trump in the Oval Office. Will this evidence turn up in the future? The only honest answer those of us without inside information can give is that we don’t know. Much of Mueller’s activities are cloaked in secrecy. Many of the documents he has filed in court have large amounts of information blacked out – “redacted” in legal terminology – so we have no idea what they say. But we have to wonder: How long will this investigation go on? How wide a net will it cast? How far back in time will it go? How many more millions of dollars will it cost American taxpayers? And finally, is the cloud the Mueller probe is casting over the Trump administration benefitting our nation, or simply weakening the president and preventing him from accomplishing the many things the American people elected him to do on our behalf? The latest chapter in this long saga took place Friday when a sentencing memorandum was filed in U.S. District Court New York City by the Justice Department dealing with former Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen. Cohen earlier pleaded guilty to multiple counts of business and tax fraud. He also pleaded guilty to making an excessive contribution to the Trump campaign and to making false statements to Congress regarding unsuccessful efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. The sentencing memo for Cohen shows there is clearly no love lost between him and the Justice Department, despite his pleading guilty to the charges against him. The Cohen memo was in sharp contrast to the sentencing recommendation that Mueller recently filed in the government’s case against retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who served for 24 days as President Trump’s national security adviser. That recommended little or no jail time. But the U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York asked the court to impose a “substantial term of imprisonment” against Cohen of about four to five years. The recommendation reflects what the Justice Department document calls Cohen’s “extensive, deliberate, and serious criminal conduct.” The Probation Department is recommending a sentence of 42 months in prison and a $100,000 fine for Cohen. The sentencing memorandum castigates Cohen, saying he was “motivated by personal greed, and repeatedly used his power and influence for deceptive ends.” The four crimes Cohen pleaded guilty to – tax evasion, false statements to a financial institution, illegal campaign contributions, and false statements to Congress – were “marked by a pattern of deception that permeated his professional life (and was evidently hidden from the friends and family members who wrote on his behalf).” In fact, Cohen’s criminal conduct, according to the sentencing memo, strikes “at several pillars of our society and system of government: the payment of taxes; transparent and fair elections; and truthfulness before government and in business.” And finally, is the cloud the Mueller probe is casting over the Trump administration benefitting our nation, or simply weakening the president and preventing him from accomplishing the many things the American people elected him to do on our behalf? The Justice Department accuses Cohen of seeking the “extraordinary leniency” of no prison sentence based on “his rose-colored view of the seriousness of the crimes” and his providing “certain information to law enforcement.” But the department downplays Cohen’s cooperation with Special Counsel Mueller, calling Cohen’s claim “overstated” and “incomplete.” In fact, the department says Cohen is not getting official recognition as a “cooperating witness.” The sentencing memo says Cohen’s providing of some information should be a “mitigating factor” but that he “repeatedly declined to provide full information about the scope of any additional criminal conduct in which he may have engaged or had knowledge.” This throws doubt on the idea that Cohen has secretly provided some kind of undisclosed information or evidence to the special counsel that bears on what is supposed to be the focus of Mueller’s investigation: whether there was any unlawful collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials to change the outcome of the 2016 election. Another interesting note in the sentencing recommendation is a statement by the Justice Department that indicates that Cohen greatly exaggerated his access to Trump. The department says that Cohen “secured a substantial amount of consulting business for himself” by claiming he had “unique insights and access to Individual-1,” referring to Trump. But while Cohen made millions of dollars from these consulting contracts, “his promises of insight and access proved essentially hollow” and he performed “minimal work,” according to the sentencing memo. It also says Cohen “used sophisticated tactics to conceal his misconduct.” After a lengthy description of Cohen’s crimes, the Justice Department says that his conduct “underscores the need for a substantial period of incarceration as a means to promote respect for the law and to deter future abuses by other individuals seeking improperly to influence the electoral process, evade taxes, or lie to financial institutions.” The department then spends eight pages explaining why the court should ignore Cohen’s request for a sentence of time served, with no additional jail time, because in essence, Cohen thinks “he is above the laws reflected in his crimes of conviction.” Yet it cannot be emphasized enough that once again, as with prior documents filed by the Justice Department and the special counsel dealing with other defendants, there is no information in Cohen’s sentencing memorandum about the issue of possible Trump-Russia election collusion. Perhaps there is such material in whatever information Cohen gave to the special counsel in his debriefing meetings. We can only guess. There were also new developments Friday in a separate case involving former Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort. Mueller filed a document in U.S. District court in Washington outlining his claim that Manafort breached a plea agreement when he “told multiple discernible lies” to Mueller’s office and the FBI that were “not instances of mere memory lapses.” Mueller says that Manafort met with the special counsel’s office 12 times and was called before a grand jury twice. Large portions of the filing are redacted, but Mueller contends that Manafort lied about his interactions with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian-Ukrainian political consultant who worked with Manafort. Mueller also contends that Manafort lied about: a wire transfer of $125,000 to a firm working for Manafort; information “pertinent to another Department of Justice investigation;” and “Manafort’s contact with Administration officials.” Manafort contends he has told the truth to Mueller. Once again, with the extensive redactions, there is no way to tell whether any of these alleged false statements had anything to do with the Russian election collusion investigation. If Manafort contests the government’s claims, as is likely, then the judge will hold a hearing where the special counsel says it will “prove the false statements.” If the judges in each of these cases adopt the government’s recommendations and claims, Cohen will be facing a handful of years in prison and Manafort, 69, could spend the rest of his life in prison. Manafort was convicted in August of eight counts of financial fraud and was facing another trial on additional felony charges when he agreed in September to plead guilty to two more felonies and to cooperate with Mueller’s office. What comes next? We simply don’t know, because Mueller has not lifted the curtain hiding much of his activities. But as of now, from what we know on the public record, Mueller has failed to prove the Trump-Russia collusion that he was appointed to investigate 19 months ago. Hans A. von Spakovsky is a Senior Legal Fellow at The Heritage Foundation. He is the coauthor of “Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk” and “Obama’s Enforcer: Eric Holder’s Justice Department.” Great, now find something from Breitbart to make it unanimous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 All you had to do was read Podesta's emails from a year and a half ago to realize this whole thing was a pile of 💩 from day one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: All you had to do was read Podesta's emails from a year and a half ago to realize this whole thing was a pile of 💩 from day one exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 36 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: All you had to do was read Podesta's emails from a year and a half ago to realize this whole thing was a pile of 💩 from day one How did you get a hold of those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: How did you get a hold of those? Some disgusted staffer leaked them to the only outlet trustworthy enough to have them.....wikileaks. From there wiki disseminated email evidence of massive corruption inside the DNC and the Hillary camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: How did you get a hold of those? From an inside man at the DNC like Assange has said. Or do you buy into the super trustworthy main stream media version where it was Putin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Collusion has always been a non issue for Trump. Campaign finance violations and money laundering is a whole different story though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: Collusion has always been a non issue for Trump. Campaign finance violations and money laundering is a whole different story though. and Mueller was supposed to have a narrow scope of influence and investigate baseless russian accusations Is it going to be the norm to just put a SP in place prior to a new POTUS being sworn in and give that prosecutor carte blanche to reside up the ass of anyone involved with the POTUS for his entire life????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Collusion has always been a non issue for Trump. Campaign finance violations and money laundering is a whole different story though. Hillary spent 2 billion on the 2016 campaign which is twice as much as Trump did, what are the chances she could stand up to this level of scrutiny over Campaign finance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Hillary spent 2 billion on the 2016 campaign which is twice as much as Trump did, what are the chances she could stand up to this level of scrutiny over Campaign finance? Zero, but we will never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Just now, AKIQPilot said: Zero, but we will never know. Hillary has her own court troubles in the works due to the Freedom of information act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 4 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: It's the least of donny's troubles at this point in time. butt hurt overload noted again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: From an inside man at the DNC like Assange has said. Or do you buy into the super trustworthy main stream media version where it was Putin? Yeah ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Hillary spent 2 billion on the 2016 campaign which is twice as much as Trump did, what are the chances she could stand up to this level of scrutiny over Campaign finance? Hillary isn’t President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Just now, ActionfigureJoe said: Hillary isn’t President. So, campaign finance laws don't apply? Some kind of one sided precedence you got there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Hillary isn’t President. EXACTLY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, f7ben said: and Mueller was supposed to have a narrow scope of influence and investigate baseless russian accusations Is it going to be the norm to just put a SP in place prior to a new POTUS being sworn in and give that prosecutor carte blanche to reside up the ass of anyone involved with the POTUS for his entire life????? Special investigators have always been obligated to pursue uncovered illegal activity. From the days of Archibald Cox to Ken Starr. This is nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 Just now, XCR1250 said: EXACTLY! The liar and crook is. And he’s going down. Just like Nixon. I fucking love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, racer254 said: So, campaign finance laws don't apply? Some kind of one sided precedence you got there They can go after Hillary all they want. If she’s guilty, off to prison. This conversation is about the liar and crook that you support. Edited December 8, 2018 by ActionfigureJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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