Why the U.S. could lose the next big war - and what that means for Canada

[Anler]

1 minute ago, Highmark said:

Well $32.6 and that's if their predicted 40-50% savings are realized.     

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/medicare-for-all-32-6-trillion-dollars-socialized-medicine/

So it will cost 10X what it currently does? 

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html

[Highmark]

1 minute ago, Anler said:

So it will cost 10X what it currently does? 

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html

Dude they talk costs over a decade not yearly.     Maybe if you actually read part of the link instead of just arguing you would learn something.  

Edited November 19, 2018 by Highmark

[Anler]

1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

Myth. Humans are too complicated and too diverse for a one world government. Ever try to get 10 people in the same room to agree on anything? Just ain't buying it. 

It will be done. There will still be different countries each with their own cultural uniqueness but we will all begin to fall under a global protocol and more important the same currency. 

[Anler]

1 minute ago, Highmark said:

Dude they talk costs over a decade not yearly.     Maybe if you actually read part of the link instead of just arguing you would learn something.  

So whats the difference? The costs are what they are. How does that change? 

[ActionfigureJoe]

Just now, Anler said:

It will be done. There will still be different countries each with their own cultural uniqueness but we will all begin to fall under a global protocol and more important the same currency. 

We already tried that in the Pashtun Valley for a smashing success.  

[Highmark]

Just now, Anler said:

So whats the difference? The costs are what they are. How does that change? 

Research it yourself.    

Do you honestly think our HC system would remain like it is today of Medicare for all was implemented?    

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

6 minutes ago, Anler said:

It will be done. There will still be different countries each with their own cultural uniqueness but we will all begin to fall under a global protocol and more important the same currency. 

Bussman?!?! I might have to spool up the old “Lord Rothschild” account and spread the word about our lizard king savior. 

[Anler]

1 minute ago, Highmark said:

Research it yourself.    

Do you honestly think our HC system would remain like it is today of Medicare for all was implemented?    

What I think is that there are ZERO incentives for our current system to become more efficient and less costly. Go ahead and dispute that. 

[Highmark]

18 minutes ago, Anler said:

What I think is that there are ZERO incentives for our current system to become more efficient and less costly. Go ahead and dispute that. 

And why is that?  Free market forces or the lack thereof?   Govt is involved much more in the HC industry than the ave person realizes.  

Edited November 19, 2018 by Highmark

[ActionfigureJoe]

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

And why is that?  Free market forces or the lack thereof?   Govt is involved much more in the HC industry than the ave person realizes.  

Govt needs to be involved. That's a given. 

[Anler]

Just now, Highmark said:

And why is that?  Free market forces or the lack thereof?   Govt is involved much more in the HC industry than the ave person realizes.  

Because there are no free market forces with our current system. The only way insurance companies can make more money is if costs rise or they deny more services which kinda negates the necessity of having health insurance. My ideal answer would be to eliminate health insurance all together and have people pay for their own health care out of their own pockets. THEN health care providers would actually have to compete for our business. It is the ONLY free market solution. 

We have been brain washed our whole lives that we need health insurance. When the facts show that health insurance is one of the reasons health care has gotten so costly. 

[Anler]

2 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

Govt needs to be involved. That's a given. 

Govt is already all over it and the number one reason guys like highmark dont want NHC is because they dont want to pay for somebody else who didnt earn it. But he already does. Insurance is based on a pool system which factors in the costs of all of the dead beats and medicare/ medicaid picks up the tab for the poor and elderly (which conveniently scrubs the biggest liabilities off of the insurance companies books). Its an incestuous relationship that doesnt encourage efficiency or even good health.  

[revkevsdi]

45 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Research it yourself.    

Do you honestly think our HC system would remain like it is today of Medicare for all was implemented?    

Costs per person are lower in Canada than the US.   So it should be cheaper. 

[Highmark]

21 minutes ago, Anler said:

Because there are no free market forces with our current system. The only way insurance companies can make more money is if costs rise or they deny more services which kinda negates the necessity of having health insurance. My ideal answer would be to eliminate health insurance all together and have people pay for their own health care out of their own pockets. THEN health care providers would actually have to compete for our business. It is the ONLY free market solution. 

We have been brain washed our whole lives that we need health insurance. When the facts show that health insurance is one of the reasons health care has gotten so costly. 

Part of the reason so called "private HC" is so expensive is because they have to charge MORE to cover the deficiencies brought on by Medicare/Medicaid.  I could go on and on with how the govt makes current private hc more expensive.  

[steve from amherst]

3 hours ago, Anler said:

Because there are no free market forces with our current system. The only way insurance companies can make more money is if costs rise or they deny more services which kinda negates the necessity of having health insurance. My ideal answer would be to eliminate health insurance all together and have people pay for their own health care out of their own pockets. THEN health care providers would actually have to compete for our business. It is the ONLY free market solution. 

We have been brain washed our whole lives that we need health insurance. When the facts show that health insurance is one of the reasons health care has gotten so costly. 

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