motonoggin Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Yeah ok. You wait , will not be long now , lol Record public and private debt, 4 decades of stagnant wages, record corporate profits, record CEO pay, record concentration of wealth. Yeah that won't end badly and will last forever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 20, 2018 It works quite well for millions of people. Myself included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: It works quite well for millions of people. Myself included. No it doesn't. It falls extremely short of meeting the needs of humanity and adequately distributing resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Record public and private debt, 4 decades of stagnant wages, record corporate profits, record CEO pay, record concentration of wealth. Yeah that won't end badly and will last forever... Sometimes I have moments of wonderment about certain people in here. Like right now, I wonder why you and people like you toil your little lives away hoping for the demise of the best system this world has ever seen...and somehow dreaming that one will be the default system that has proven to be one of the worst for all of humanity. Mind boggling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, motonoggin said: End capitalism No, we just need to end crony capitalism. The kind that privatizes profits but socializes losses, that's why I find the TARP program so disgusting, under real Capitalism those cocksucker banks would have failed and it would have been glorious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, snoughnut said: No, we just need to end crony capitalism. The kind that privatizes profits but socializes losses, that's why I find the TARP program so disgusting, under real Capitalism those cocksucker banks would have failed and it would have been glorious. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Sometimes I have moments of wonderment about certain people in here. Like right now, I wonder why you and people like you toil your little lives away hoping for the demise of the best system this world has ever seen...and somehow dreaming that one will be the default system that has proven to be one of the worst for all of humanity. Mind boggling. If you do your research you'll find that's not the case. Like I have said, crony capitalism needs to go, when you have a govt. that forces taxpayers to bail out the cocksucking banking industry, that is not considered one of the best systems in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 minute ago, snoughnut said: If you do your research you'll find that's not the case. Like I have said, crony capitalism needs to go, when you have a govt. that forces taxpayers to bail out the cocksucking banking industry, that is not considered one of the best systems in the world. No, I’m correct. Unless you want to set up parameters and delete certain aspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Trump would love that. He embraces dictators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, snoughnut said: No, we just need to end crony capitalism. The kind that privatizes profits but socializes losses, that's why I find the TARP program so disgusting, under real Capitalism those cocksucker banks would have failed and it would have been glorious. Crony capitalism is capitalism. We will always end up here, it's just the nature of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Crony capitalism is capitalism. We will always end up here, it's just the nature of the system. But yet you’re convinced communism will work without a brutal leader. Nature of the system eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, snoughnut said: If you do your research you'll find that's not the case. Like I have said, crony capitalism needs to go, when you have a govt. that forces taxpayers to bail out the cocksucking banking industry, that is not considered one of the best systems in the world. x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Crony capitalism is capitalism. We will always end up here, it's just the nature of the system. I guess if that's how it has evolved but it needs to stop and return to a free market capitalism. Capitalism defines a system of economics where capital is invested by individuals to further ideas and enterprises that the investor thinks will create a return on the money invested. The risk taken is borne by the investor and business owner, but if the enterprise is a good one, both investor and business owner win. Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials. Crony capitalism may be demonstrated in the distribution of legal permits, government grants, special tax breaks or other forms of state interventionism. Crony capitalism is the marriage of the state and private special interests. The playing field for business is not level when the government inserts itself into the mix. Crony capitalism can actually use government power through regulated interests to squelch competition. The government can acquire money in only two ways: print it or confiscate it from their citizens through taxes. When the government is intertwined in business, the money for such activities comes directly from the taxpayers. The government faces no risk nor is under any urgency to make the business succeed. Any private business in a partnership with some government entity is not playing by the same economic rules as the private business alone. The private business risks losing everything if the business is not successful. The private business is held accountable for the decisions made for the business; whereas, there is no such accountability when the government is involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted September 20, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted September 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Nazipigdog said: Thats not private... Go buy a ticket and let us know the prices! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganMarcus Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 hours ago, motonoggin said: No it doesn't. It falls extremely short of meeting the needs of humanity and adequately distributing resources. I simply do not care about the masses and their inability to function inside a system that offers reward for hard work. If one is too simple minded to prosper in a system that allows all but the most lazy and most mentally inept to have a great standard of living, then I simply do not give a fuck about them and they can starve and die. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Edmo said: But yet you’re convinced communism will work without a brutal leader. Nature of the system eh? Real communism doesn't have dictators. Communism is stateless, and heirarchies only exist in the most necessary cases. 1 hour ago, MichiganMarcus said: I simply do not care about the masses and their inability to function inside a system that offers reward for hard work. If one is too simple minded to prosper in a system that allows all but the most lazy and most mentally inept to have a great standard of living, then I simply do not give a fuck about them and they can starve and die. Shit, the slaves who made your shoes work harder than you and most westerners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Real communism doesn't have dictators. Communism is stateless, and heirarchies only exist in the most necessary cases. Shit, the slaves who made your shoes work harder than you and most westerners. Real example please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Zambroski said: Is there any more room to fit some homeless in your house or, you all filled up? Liberals: judge me by my words, not my actions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganMarcus Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Real communism doesn't have dictators. Communism is stateless, and heirarchies only exist in the most necessary cases. Shit, the slaves who made your shoes work harder than you and most westerners. ...and that is by design you simple fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: Real example please. Catalonia. Although brief due to the spanish fascists, was a good start to libertarian socialist/communist territory. The next system will evolve out of capitalism after its inevitable collapse becomes apparent to enough people. Just as we evolved out of feudalism and into capitalism, we will evolve out of capitalism and into something else. It's hard to say where exactly we'll go, but it could be a lot like Catalonia, except worldwide and 21st century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, MichiganMarcus said: ...and that is by design you simple fuck. And your comfort comes at the expense of slave laborers that work much harder for a lot less money than you. So I'd say your assertion that capitalism rewards hard work is false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganMarcus Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: And your comfort comes at the expense of slave laborers that work much harder for a lot less money than you. So I'd say your assertion that capitalism rewards hard work is false. As it should. My comfort is paramount and supersedes all other considerations. Hard work is defined in studying to understand how to work within the system so as to profit the most. So sorry you are unable to prosper here, perhaps try relocation to a system in which your kind can function, I am thinking perhaps the prison system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Catalonia. Although brief due to the spanish fascists, was a good start to libertarian socialist/communist territory. The next system will evolve out of capitalism after its inevitable collapse becomes apparent to enough people. Just as we evolved out of feudalism and into capitalism, we will evolve out of capitalism and into something else. It's hard to say where exactly we'll go, but it could be a lot like Catalonia, except worldwide and 21st century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, MichiganMarcus said: As it should. My comfort is paramount and supersedes all other considerations. Hard work is defined in studying to understand how to work within the system so as to profit the most. So sorry you are unable to prosper here, perhaps try relocation to a system in which your kind can function, I am thinking perhaps the prison system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Hippity hoppity abolish private property 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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