Rod Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, DAVE said: Oh...splain please... Olds, Buick and Pontiac all had 455 CI engines because that’s the largest they were allowed to build under corporate rules. They were all 455 CI but also all completely different from each other other than bellhousing pattern even the SD 455 was a fair bit different than the typical Pontiac 455. Internals and heads were all different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 https://www.caranddriver.com/archives/pontiac-firebird-trans-am-sd-455-archived-test-review 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Nazipigdog said: I'll gladly take them but I think you are way off. These are technological Marvels, they are not Arctic cats. Actually... They are pieces of shit the way they are put together. A Kia is built better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, JEFF said: Actually... They are pieces of shit the way they are put together. A Kia is built better. says you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: says you... Says anyone who's dug into them repairing them. Missing welds, cobbled together structural members, ect... They are sharp. But not underneath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rw06GT Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 During the test itself, two things became clear: The Model 3 works largely as intended, and the build quality was the worst we have seen on any new car from any maker over the last 10 years. The flaws and defects broke down into two categories: those that affected the functioning of the car or the owner's driving experience, and those that didn't. The first group included: The defective touchscreen and all the follow-on effects (above) Persistent creaks and groans from the console or dash An intermittent loud buzz from the upper right-hand center door pillar at highway speeds on some road surfaces A steering vibration (in a car with just 1,000 miles) Different owners have suffered blown main fuses in their Model 3 battery packs, varying and unexplained error messages that power down the car, and numerous other issues. The longer list of assembly defects on our car that early owners seem likely to overlook are a remarkable number of fit and finish issues: Misaligned body panels Widely varying gaps between panel edges Headlights protruding above panels in some places, sunken below them in others, varying side to side Glovebox door that didn't sit square in its opening Badly fitted chrome door trim that didn't align from piece to piece Note that the cheapest Chevy, Honda, Hyundai, or Toyota wouldn’t make it out of the factory with any one of those observable problems, let alone the whole list of them. Tesla has never been known for high quality, our owner admitted—his 2012 Tesla Model S had the same misaligned chrome window trim, though it was less visibly out of whack. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115659_tesla-model-3-quality-is-terrible-but-does-it-matter-to-buyers/page-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 20, 2018 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Rw06GT said: During the test itself, two things became clear: The Model 3 works largely as intended, and the build quality was the worst we have seen on any new car from any maker over the last 10 years. The flaws and defects broke down into two categories: those that affected the functioning of the car or the owner's driving experience, and those that didn't. The first group included: The defective touchscreen and all the follow-on effects (above) Persistent creaks and groans from the console or dash An intermittent loud buzz from the upper right-hand center door pillar at highway speeds on some road surfaces A steering vibration (in a car with just 1,000 miles) Different owners have suffered blown main fuses in their Model 3 battery packs, varying and unexplained error messages that power down the car, and numerous other issues. The longer list of assembly defects on our car that early owners seem likely to overlook are a remarkable number of fit and finish issues: Misaligned body panels Widely varying gaps between panel edges Headlights protruding above panels in some places, sunken below them in others, varying side to side Glovebox door that didn't sit square in its opening Badly fitted chrome door trim that didn't align from piece to piece Note that the cheapest Chevy, Honda, Hyundai, or Toyota wouldn’t make it out of the factory with any one of those observable problems, let alone the whole list of them. Tesla has never been known for high quality, our owner admitted—his 2012 Tesla Model S had the same misaligned chrome window trim, though it was less visibly out of whack. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115659_tesla-model-3-quality-is-terrible-but-does-it-matter-to-buyers/page-2 Toolkit should stay clear then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Eating mustangs! Bahahahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Tesla beats them all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 No doubt they’re quick. They’re just quick pieces of shit. Ever been in an early 90’s gm? The gm is built better. No joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 12:50 AM, Rod Johnson said: Except deloreon built some badass cars 130 horsepower Volvo? That's not bad ass. Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 21, 2018 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, s pump said: 130 horsepower Volvo? That's not bad ass. Oops. I believe he is talking about his time at Pontiac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: I believe he is talking about his time at Pontiac. Yah, I got that. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 12 hours ago, JEFF said: No doubt they’re quick. They’re just quick pieces of shit. Ever been in an early 90’s gm? The gm is built better. No joke. Well it seems you can make your money back on them by drag racing the fastest production cars in the world. No 90's Gm could do that. Tesla FTMFW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: Well it seems you can make your money back on them by drag racing the fastest production cars in the world. No 90's Gm could do that. Tesla FTMFW! If thats what makes your pitter patter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, JEFF said: If thats what makes your pitter patter. That model s is pretty cool but for the money I’d take a hellcat or zl1 over that model s any day of the week. So much more fun to drive IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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