Im4snow Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Just a reminder to NOT send your consumption dollars to China. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ASPEN, Colo. (AP) — China is waging a "quiet kind of cold war" against the United States, using all its resources to try to replace America as the leading power in the world, a top CIA expert on Asia said Friday. Beijing doesn't want to go to war, he said, but the current communist government, under President Xi Jingping, is subtly working on multiple fronts to undermine the U.S. in ways that are different than the more well-publicized activities being employed by Russia. "I would argue ... that what they're waging against us is fundamentally a cold war — a cold war not like we saw during THE Cold War (between the U.S. and the Soviet Union) but a cold war by definition," Michael Collins, deputy assistant director of the CIA's East Asia mission center, said at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado. Rising U.S.-China tension goes beyond the trade dispute playing out in a tariff tit-for-tat between the two nations. There is concern over China's pervasive efforts to steal business secrets and details about high-tech research being conducted in the U.S. The Chinese military is expanding and being modernized and the U.S., as well as other nations, have complained about China's construction of military outposts on islands in the South China Sea. "I would argue that it's the Crimea of the East," Collins said, referring to Russia's brash annexation of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula, which was condemned throughout the West. Collins' comments track warnings about China's rising influence issued by others who spoke earlier this week at the security conference. The alarm bells come at a time when Washington needs China's help in ending its nuclear standoff with North Korea. On Wednesday, FBI Director Christopher Wray said China, from a counterintelligence perspective, represents the broadest and most significant threat America faces. He said the FBI has economic espionage investigations in all 50 states that can be traced back to China. "The volume of it. The pervasiveness of it. The significance of it is something that I think this country cannot underestimate," Wray said. National Intelligence Director Dan Coats also warned of rising Chinese aggression. In particular, he said, the U.S. must stand strong against China's effort to steal business secrets and academic research. Susan Thornton, acting assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs, said increasing the public's awareness about the activities of the hundreds of thousands of Chinese students or groups at U.S. universities could be one way to help mitigate potential damage. "China is not just a footnote to what we're dealing with with Russia," Thornton said. Marcel Lettre, former undersecretary of defense for intelligence, said China has the second-largest defense budget in the world, the largest standing army of ground forces, the third-largest air force and a navy of 300 ships and more than 60 submarines. "All of this is in the process of being modernized and upgraded," said Lettre, who sat on a panel with Collins and Thornton. He said China also is pursuing advances in cyber, artificial intelligence, engineering and technology, counter-space, anti-satellite capabilities and hypersonic glide weapons. Army Lt. Gen. Robert Ashley, head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told a congressional committee earlier this year that China is developing long-range cruise missiles — some capable of reaching supersonic speeds. "The Pentagon has noted that the Chinese have already pursued a test program that has had 20 times more tests than the U.S. has," Lettre said. Franklin Miller, former senior director for defense policy and arms control at the National Security Council, said China's weapons developments are emphasizing the need to have a dialogue with Beijing. "We need to try to engage," Miller said. "My expectations for successful engagement are medium-low, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try." https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-china-waging-quiet-kind-cold-war-against-051049862--politics.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 In a short amount of time China will be the innovator. They’re simply doing the same thing America did with England. America the English blind. Eventually America became an innovator. Theft of intellectual property is nothing new in human history. There’s also no way to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I just went to be part of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Just now, Cold War said: I just went to be part of this thread. Me too! China=America’s number one threat. Period. Russia? I’d argue not even top five. Maybe even 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaddisFly Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Yes, China is powerful and potentially dangerous. Yesterday , the Wall Street Journal had an interesting editorial about the immediate effects of China's retaliation to new tariffs. One example mentioned in the article: Alcoa, the biggest producer of aluminum in America, is likely to lose the equivalent of almost 20% of the profits it made during all of last year. Edited July 21, 2018 by CaddisFly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im4snow Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, ActionfigureJoe said: In a short amount of time China will be the innovator. They’re simply doing the same thing America did with England. America the English blind. Eventually America became an innovator. Theft of intellectual property is nothing new in human history. There’s also no way to stop it. Maybe it's just me, but NOT financially supporting a country that fucks us seems like a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Im4snow said: Maybe it's just me, but NOT financially supporting a country that fucks us seems like a good idea. Some other guys think that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted July 21, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Im4snow said: Maybe it's just me, but NOT financially supporting a country that fucks us seems like a good idea. im with ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: im with ya You do know that a fair amount of Chinese parts make a Ford F-150? Either sourced from China or sourced from a Chinese parts mfg plant here in the states. So good luck with that. Btw, I could flip the script and use fiat or gm as an example too. In fact, the Ford F-150 production line had to be shut down because a US based parts plant (owned by the Chinese) burned down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Zamjabronie said: Me too! China=America’s number one threat. Period. Russia? I’d argue not even top five. Maybe even 10. Of course you’d say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 It would be to simple to say China has the US as an enemy when the reality is they are locked in a battle with Japan, South Korea, Thiwan etc etc. A trade war at this point is a disaster for them as their military is not really ready to go toe to toe with Pacific forces and the strain on their economy will slow military build up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Of course you’d say that. Oh, of course! Which part do you feel I am incorrect about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I coulda swore you were one of those pro China faggots before Trump... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: It would be to simple to say China has the US as an enemy when the reality is they are locked in a battle with Japan, South Korea, Thiwan etc etc. A trade war at this point is a disaster for them as their military is not really ready to go toe to toe with Pacific forces and the strain on their economy will slow military build up. South Korea does twice as much trade with chine as it does America. Japan is about even. Japan isn’t all to happy about about the orange goblin’s oil sanctions on Iran. Japan’s industry will be severely effected by it. Just saying. Trump’s sanctions are going to have an interesting effect on Asian trading partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Zamjabronie said: Oh, of course! Which part do you feel I am incorrect about? That you’d think Guiana is a bigger threat than Russia. You’d say almost anything to carry your guy’s water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 21, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: That you’d think Guiana is a bigger threat than Russia. You’d say almost anything to carry your guy’s water. Don't forget about Montenegro....Trump says they are an aggressive nation!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: South Korea does twice as much trade with chine as it does America. Japan is about even. Japan isn’t all to happy about about the orange goblin’s oil sanctions on Iran. Japan’s industry will be severely effected by it. Just saying. Trump’s sanctions are going to have an interesting effect on Asian trading partners. Japan is in a bad place when it comes to oil as they are trying to get rid of 30+ nuclear power plants and the only way for them to do that right now is oil/Nat gas. But Japan still sees China as a military threat as they have spent much of the last decade building up their military. The current fighter Japan is working on now is really almost specifically designed with China in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: That you’d think Guiana is a bigger threat than Russia. You’d say almost anything to carry your guy’s water. What is Guiana? What a load of shit BTW. “DAMN RUSSIA AND THEIR 100k WORTH OF FACEBOOKADS!!!!” Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I still want to know HOW IN THE HELL Russia persuaded 60+ million Americans to vote for Trump. Poor Dems. I mean...just...plain.....pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Im4snow said: Maybe it's just me, but NOT financially supporting a country that fucks us seems like a good idea. joe will not agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 5 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Some other guys think that too. oh look lmfao . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Rosenberg Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 5 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: South Korea does twice as much trade with chine as it does America. Japan is about even. Japan isn’t all to happy about about the orange goblin’s oil sanctions on Iran. Japan’s industry will be severely effected by it. Just saying. Trump’s sanctions are going to have an interesting effect on Asian trading partners. Do you think the Japs will bomb us again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 22, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sal Rosenberg said: Do you think the Japs will bomb us again ? Mainescat does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Talked to a woman from China tonight. She said that China didn’t get hurt much by the us recession in 2008. They play the long game. US money is nice but a 300,000,000 consumer economy can’t destroy a 1 billion person economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted July 22, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 22, 2018 14 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: You do know that a fair amount of Chinese parts make a Ford F-150? Either sourced from China or sourced from a Chinese parts mfg plant here in the states. So good luck with that. Btw, I could flip the script and use fiat or gm as an example too. In fact, the Ford F-150 production line had to be shut down because a US based parts plant (owned by the Chinese) burned down. F150 has the highest amount of domestic parts of any Truck sold in America at 85 % Source 2017 Kogard Made in America auto index. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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