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9 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

I take it you get your news from Freedom Sledder :dunno:

Canada just had the biggest jobs gain in a decade but don't let facts get in the way (year 1)

 

Trump has done nothing so far, he tweets about things, takes credit for them and the sheep go baa baa......   Can't wait to they start mining coal again that no one will buy

Sorry but Canada's economic output does not look impressive at all.  In fact it lags behind expectations and JT is set to own the worst economic record to date.  Own that. 

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2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Sorry but Canada's economic output does not look impressive at all.  In fact it lags behind expectations and JT is set to own the worst economic record to date.  Own that. 

long way to go but since he took over from the worst record since the great depression we will have to wait and see. 

but it is usual for the Haters to claim liberals are bad when history shows the exact opposite.  I am hoping for good unlike you.

 

When trudeau gets over his feel good giving things will be good for us

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You mean, at the end of his term? 

They campaigned on giving away our money to everyone else; don't expect it to end any time soon....

Worst record since the depression..... :lmao:

 

1 minute ago, 1trailmaker said:

long way to go but since he took over from the worst record since the great depression we will have to wait and see. 

but it is usual for the Haters to claim liberals are bad when history shows the exact opposite.  I am hoping for good unlike you.

 

When trudeau gets over his feel good giving things will be good for us

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25 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

I take it you get your news from Freedom Sledder :dunno:

Canada just had the biggest jobs gain in a decade but don't let facts get in the way (year 1)

 

Trump has done nothing so far, he tweets about things, takes credit for them and the sheep go baa baa......   Can't wait to they start mining coal again that no one will buy

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-ford-jobs-idUSKBN16Z19M

I wonder if Ontario's business climate had been better in 2015 if Oakville would've been in the running for those projects?

I wonder who's buying the coal that's in those railcars then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTE_Electric_Company

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The utility operates eleven fossil-fuel generating plants, as well as the Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station. The company is co-owner, with Consumers Energy, of the Ludington Pumped Storage Power Plant, a hydroelectric pumped storage facility in Ludington, Michigan. DTE uses fossil fuels (mainly coal) to generate 80-85 percent of its total electrical output, with the bulk of the remainder coming from nuclear power.[4]

At 3,300 MW, DTE's Monroe Power Plant has the third largest generating capacity of any coal-fired power plant in North America

DTE operates the coal-fired St. Clair Power Plant in St. Clair, Michigan, and the Belle River Power Plant in East China, Michigan on the west bank of the St. Clair River. Also in St. Clair County lies the Greenwood Energy Center, a natural gas-burning and fuel oil-burning plant. [5]

On the Detroit River, DTE operates the River Rouge Power Plant in River Rouge and the Trenton Channel Power Plant in Trenton, which all burn coal.

I wonder where the smog from those plants go? :suicide:

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13 minutes ago, Puzzleboy said:

Worst record since the depression..... :lmao:

 

That is a matter of fact the figures are in , it can only be changed by another future PM that has a worst economic record.  Hopefully Trudeau is it

I know his timing was bad but that is politics.

 

vote O'leary and if he doesn't get the nod, still vote for  who ever it is.

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20 minutes ago, revrnd said:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-ford-jobs-idUSKBN16Z19M

I wonder if Ontario's business climate had been better in 2015 if Oakville would've been in the running for those projects?

I wonder who's buying the coal that's in those railcars then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTE_Electric_Company

I wonder where the smog from those plants go? :suicide:

  • DTE's Harbor Beach - 121 megawatts - 1 unit retired in 2013
  • DTE's Trenton Channel - 240 megawatts - 2 units retired in 2016
  • Consumers Energy's BC Cobb plant in Muskegon - 312 megawatts - 2 units retired in 2016
  • Consumers Energy's JC Weadock plant in Essexville- 312 megawatts - 2 units retired in 2016
  • Consumers Energy's JR Whiting plant in Erie - 345 megawatts - 3 units retiried in 2016
  • Michigan South Central Power Agency's Endicott plant in Litchfield - 55 megawatts - 1 unit retired in 2016.
  • Holland Board of Public Works' DeYoung plant - 63 megawatts - 3 units retiring in 2017
  • Lansing Board of Water and Light's Eckert plant - 335 megawatts - 6 units retiring in 2018
  • Wisconsin Electric's Presque Isle plant - 450 megawatts - 5 units retiring in 2020.

 

Magic Donald will fix the closed plants himself, similar to  Trumpcare fix

 

coal is on the way out in North America Donald can't change that with reckless deregulation

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1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said:

long way to go but since he took over from the worst record since the great depression we will have to wait and see. 

but it is usual for the Haters to claim liberals are bad when history shows the exact opposite.  I am hoping for good unlike you.

 

When trudeau gets over his feel good giving things will be good for us

Didn't realize how strong the stupid was.  Thanks for the update. 

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3 hours ago, revrnd said:

Probably cheaper to buy hydro from Ontario.

Well ya seeing we sell it at half the cost to generate it. Liberal economics at work. Steve approved energy plan. When you are like Steve and getting paid because of government waste, you cheer it on.

 

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Yes, please post up those figures that are in!

20 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

That is a matter of fact the figures are in , it can only be changed by another future PM that has a worst economic record.  Hopefully Trudeau is it

I know his timing was bad but that is politics.

 

vote O'leary and if he doesn't get the nod, still vote for  who ever it is.

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11 minutes ago, Puzzleboy said:

Yes, please post up those figures that are in!

Across other indicators, too (including job-creation, productivity, personal incomes, business investment, household debt, and inequality), the Harper government ranked last or second-last among all postwar governments. Its overall ranking was the worst of any prime minister since 1946.

The Conservative failure to elicit more business investment and exports has been especially damaging. Those are the two most strategic components of spending in a market economy. Conservatives promised that expensive corporate tax cuts (costing $15 billion per year) would boost investment, and that signing more free trade deals would do the same for exports. But neither worked. Exports hardly grew at all under Harper (the slowest in postwar history), and business investment was stagnant, now declining. Government spending cuts, enforced in earnest after the Conservatives won their majority in 2011, only exacerbated the macroeconomic funk.

 

Statistics Canada does, however, have job and GDP numbers going back to 1921 — which brings in poor, old R.B. Bennett.

Over the lifetime of Bennett's government, after you smooth out the dip of the Great Depression and the spike of the ensuing recovery, the number of jobs in the country grew by an average of 0.46 per cent.

Harper has more than doubled that score — posting annual average job-growth of 1.1 per cent.

Alas, in the list of 10 prime ministers since and including Bennett, that is the second worst rate.

Bennett's economy shrank by an average of a little more than 2 per cent compared to 1.5 per cent annualized growth in Harper's time.

Much, much better, but — again — every prime minister between Bennett and Harper had a higher score on this.

 

 

There’s an obvious reason for slipping Conservative economic credibility: they’ve been in power for almost a decade, and it’s been the worst decade for Canada’s economy in postwar history. That painful statistical reality, verified by the personal hardship of millions of Canadians, constitutes an enormous hill for Conservative campaigners to climb.

 

For seven of the 16 indicators, the Harper Conservatives ranked or tied last among all postwar prime ministers; it ranked or tied second-last in another six cases. Across all 16 indicators, the government’s average ranking was the worst of any postwar administration—not even close to the second-worst (another Conservative, Brian Mulroney). Our analysis was based on annual data to 2014, so it doesn’t even reflect the effects of this year’s recession.

Of course, the global financial crisis of 2008-09 has been part of the Conservatives’ problems. But Canada experienced 11 official recessions since 1946 (including this year’s), and the 2008-09 downturn was neither the longest nor the deepest. Previous prime ministers also confronted daunting global problems: the Korean and Vietnam wars, oil price shocks, stagflation, 9/11, and other financial panics.

 

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doesn't take much to find the info on Harper its all the same from every source but just look at stats can ifs all there

 

 

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Canada is the only G7 country in recession – the second recession on Mr. Harper’s watch – because of reckless Conservative mismanagement.

  • Harper has the worst economic growth record of any Prime Minister since R.B Bennett in the 1930’s.
  • Harper’s policies benefit the wealthy while letting the middle class fall behind.
  • Harper ignored warnings about housing bubbles and banking weaknesses in the United States.
  • Harper overspent by three times the rate of inflation.
  • Harper eliminated all previous federal contingency reserves and prudence factors.
  • Harper has run eight consecutive deficits, and despite claims to the contrary, will run another one this year.
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26 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

Across other indicators, too (including job-creation, productivity, personal incomes, business investment, household debt, and inequality), the Harper government ranked last or second-last among all postwar governments. Its overall ranking was the worst of any prime minister since 1946.

The Conservative failure to elicit more business investment and exports has been especially damaging. Those are the two most strategic components of spending in a market economy. Conservatives promised that expensive corporate tax cuts (costing $15 billion per year) would boost investment, and that signing more free trade deals would do the same for exports. But neither worked. Exports hardly grew at all under Harper (the slowest in postwar history), and business investment was stagnant, now declining. Government spending cuts, enforced in earnest after the Conservatives won their majority in 2011, only exacerbated the macroeconomic funk.

 

Statistics Canada does, however, have job and GDP numbers going back to 1921 — which brings in poor, old R.B. Bennett.

Over the lifetime of Bennett's government, after you smooth out the dip of the Great Depression and the spike of the ensuing recovery, the number of jobs in the country grew by an average of 0.46 per cent.

Harper has more than doubled that score — posting annual average job-growth of 1.1 per cent.

Alas, in the list of 10 prime ministers since and including Bennett, that is the second worst rate.

Bennett's economy shrank by an average of a little more than 2 per cent compared to 1.5 per cent annualized growth in Harper's time.

Much, much better, but — again — every prime minister between Bennett and Harper had a higher score on this.

 

 

There’s an obvious reason for slipping Conservative economic credibility: they’ve been in power for almost a decade, and it’s been the worst decade for Canada’s economy in postwar history. That painful statistical reality, verified by the personal hardship of millions of Canadians, constitutes an enormous hill for Conservative campaigners to climb.

 

For seven of the 16 indicators, the Harper Conservatives ranked or tied last among all postwar prime ministers; it ranked or tied second-last in another six cases. Across all 16 indicators, the government’s average ranking was the worst of any postwar administration—not even close to the second-worst (another Conservative, Brian Mulroney). Our analysis was based on annual data to 2014, so it doesn’t even reflect the effects of this year’s recession.

Of course, the global financial crisis of 2008-09 has been part of the Conservatives’ problems. But Canada experienced 11 official recessions since 1946 (including this year’s), and the 2008-09 downturn was neither the longest nor the deepest. Previous prime ministers also confronted daunting global problems: the Korean and Vietnam wars, oil price shocks, stagflation, 9/11, and other financial panics.

 

slow-growth-chart.png

 

 

doesn't take much to find the info on Harper its all the same from every source but just look at stats can ifs all there

 

 

Loser info.  Post the comparisons between other G8 Nations.  Harper did better, JT isn't. 

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Poor poor Fail. Do you remember that GLOBAL ECONOMIC MELTDOWN that occurred in the latter half of the first decade of this century? It may be a bit foggy for you but WHICH COUNTRY FAIRED MUCH BETTER THAN JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DURING THAT TIME. Oh that's right CANADA. Who was PM? Oh that's right Harper. Sure the economy took a huge hit but every other country around the globe suffered an even bigger economic hit.

You want to cite statistics to compare to... what other PM was faced with a comparable GLOBAL ECONOMIC MELTDOWN?

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5 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

I paid less income tax this year how about you guys?

Property taxes are up alot though

My property taxes went up at the cabin but not at home. :dunno:

How was the first day in the new office? 

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10 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

I paid less income tax this year how about you guys?

Property taxes are up alot though

BS you paid less income tax.

Property taxes are expected to be significantly up for both home and cottage properties. They haven't finalized the budget for the year yet. At least not where we are. Unless you are different than most people the property taxes are paid monthly and for the first part of the year are based on 50% of last years total tax bill so how do you know the property taxes are up before they finalize the budget and establish the taxes for the last half of this year.

We have to pay those inflated government salaries though so they are likely to go up.

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40 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Loser info.  Post the comparisons between other G8 Nations.  Harper did better, JT isn't. 

Actually when you compare yourself to people doing worst then you, you are the loser..... Fact is we were not the best in the G7 (5th) before we got Harper out.

yes we fared well but the comparison was for our PM's including the 11 recessions our country had during that time.

But in comparison to job vs. G7 is good except all G7 countries had an higher employed rate

really AC he failed move on the facts are not changing.  And don't worry hopefully Trudeau will take that title away -

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47 minutes ago, 02sled said:

Poor poor Fail. Do you remember that GLOBAL ECONOMIC MELTDOWN that occurred in the latter half of the first decade of this century? It may be a bit foggy for you but WHICH COUNTRY FAIRED MUCH BETTER THAN JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DURING THAT TIME. Oh that's right CANADA. Who was PM? Oh that's right Harper. Sure the economy took a huge hit but every other country around the globe suffered an even bigger economic hit.

You want to cite statistics to compare to... what other PM was faced with a comparable GLOBAL ECONOMIC MELTDOWN?

ya first recession ever

Argue with stats can not me, his record is the worst of any PM since WWII - if you have info saying anything different then post it.

Posting about G7 countries doesn't change any facts.  Never mind we were behind most of the G7 by Harpers end - again if you have some facts post them

 

what a bunch of cry babies, holy fuck sad

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50 minutes ago, 02sled said:

BS you paid less income tax.

Property taxes are expected to be significantly up for both home and cottage properties. They haven't finalized the budget for the year yet. At least not where we are. Unless you are different than most people the property taxes are paid monthly and for the first part of the year are based on 50% of last years total tax bill so how do you know the property taxes are up before they finalize the budget and establish the taxes for the last half of this year.

We have to pay those inflated government salaries though so they are likely to go up.

property taxes are from MPAC values :nuts:  and will go up greatly in the near future with the inflated housing market 

my north property is up 50% since 2011 as the new values kicked in

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