revrnd Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 https://www.thepostmillennial.com/72-of-ontarians-think-carbon-taxes-are-just-a-tax-grab/ Quote 72% of Ontarians think carbon taxes are just a tax grab This is extremely interesting, and likely a terrible sign for both the Liberal government in the province and the Liberal government federally Poll Results According to a new Ipsos Poll released exclusively on Global News 72 per cent of Ontarians said carbon taxes are just a tax grab, while 68 per cent dismissed them as a purely symbolic gesture. The poll of 1,197 eligible voters found the sentiments to be largely prevalent across party lines. “While Conservative voters (85 per cent) were most likely to label carbon taxes a tax grab, a majority of NDP (72 per cent) and Liberal (54 per cent) voters also felt the same.” Ipsos Analysis Darrell Bricker, CEO of Ipsos Global Affairs explained the results, commenting that “Two or three years ago, the emphasis on the term ‘carbon tax’ was on ‘carbon,’ but now it seems to be on ‘tax… Voters are looking at it — particularly if you’re a Conservative voter — as an attempt to get more money out of your pocket as opposed to actually doing anything meaningful about climate change.” Bricker also points to another recent Ipsos poll in which respondents ranked climate change at No. 8, when asked to rank issues important to them. “It seems to be a low-priority item or at best, a moderate-priority item for people, for which they seem less willing to pay a tax,” he said. Our Analysis This is extremely interesting, and likely a terrible sign for both the Liberal government in the province and the Liberal government federally. With voters now focusing on the costs of the tax and while also believing that the results are mediocre, it will be extremely difficult for the Liberals to continue to push the environmental file unless they massively change their entire platform. Both the Federal Liberals and the Provincial Liberals have put stringent carbon measures at the forefront of their campaigns, and will now likely to feel real opposition by many of the centre-right voters who called their party home in previous elections. These results also support the theory that Canadian politics will likely become more divided as NDP voters greatly support a Carbon tax, while Conservatives and many Liberals greatly oppose it. This division could push voters into the NDP and Conservative parties respectfully, as they move towards the issue they care about most, rather remaining with parties which in their opinion put forward half-stop measures such as the current Liberal carbon tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) The Global News item: https://globalnews.ca/news/4204847/ontario-carbon-tax-election-poll/ Quote 7 in 10 Ontarians think carbon taxes are just a tax grab: Ipsos poll Carbon tax has been a hotly debated issue in the run-up to next month’s provincial election in Ontario, but most voters think it’s little more than a tax grab and a pointless, symbolic gesture that won’t actually do much to tackle climate change. That’s according to a new Ipsos poll, conducted exclusively for Global News, in which 72 per cent of Ontarians said carbon taxes are just a tax grab, while 68 per cent dismissed them as a purely symbolic gesture. The poll of 1,197 eligible voters found the sentiments to be largely prevalent across party lines — while Conservative voters (85 per cent) were most likely to label carbon taxes a tax grab, a majority of NDP (72 per cent) and Liberal (54 per cent) voters also felt the same. Carbon tax is quite simply a low-priority issue for Ontarians at the moment, according to Darrell Bricker, CEO of Ipsos Global Affairs. “Two or three years ago, the emphasis on the term ‘carbon tax’ was on ‘carbon,’ but now it seems to be on ‘tax,'” Bricker told Global News. “Voters are looking at it — particularly if you’re a Conservative voter — as an attempt to get more money out of your pocket as opposed to actually doing anything meaningful about climate change.” Bricker also points to another recent Ipsos poll in which respondents ranked climate change at No. 8, when asked to rank issues important to them. “It seems to be a low-priority item or at best, a moderate-priority item for people, for which they seem less willing to pay a tax,” he said. Carbon tax is quite simply a low-priority issue for Ontarians at the moment, according to Darrell Bricker, CEO of Ipsos Global Affairs. “There are a lot of people out there who are trying to get by in pretty tough circumstances. So for them, even though there’s this existential threat potentially posed by climate change, it’s not really the priority for them in a way that the day-to-day bills are.” Not only are Ontarians unwilling to make sacrifices in the name of tackling climate change, but they’re generally torn on whether carbon taxes would be even be effective at all, the poll found. Only half of respondents agreed that carbon taxes will prompt people to make smart choices about their emissions, and that carbon taxes will help improve the world’s climate. However, a significant political divide emerged on the issue of effectiveness, with 74 per cent of Liberal and 48 per cent of NDP voters believing that carbon taxes are good for the climate, compared to 33 per cent of Conservatives. The main problem for the Liberals — who have made tackling climate change one of their signature policies — is that even voters who see climate change as a crucial issue are divided on whether Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Liberals or Andrea Horwath’s NDP are best able to deliver it, Bricker pointed out. A previous Ipsos poll conducted for Global News found that among those who consider climate change their single most important issue, 28 per cent felt the NDP would do the best job advancing the climate change agenda, compared to 24 per cent for the Liberals and 10 per cent for the Conservatives. “The big thing in any election campaign is you have to find an issue that’s important, and you have to differentiate yourself from your opponents on it,” said Bricker. “The problem here is that the NDP and the Liberals are basically tied. Even if you get the public all excited about climate change, the question is, ‘Who do I vote for?'” Millennials are the demographic that seem most open to carbon taxes, with 64 per cent saying that carbon taxes can help improve the world’s climate, as compared to 47 per cent of Gen Xers and 48 per cent of boomers. This may be due to a combination of lifestyle and income traits particular to that age group, Bricker said. “Millennials are the least likely to drive, tend to be more in the cities and tend to be more educated as well, but they’re also probably not paying that high a tax rate right now.” The concern for political parties is that millennials don’t tend to vote in huge numbers except in cases where they’re really passionate, such as in the 2015 federal election, Bricker added. Overall, passions are higher among those who oppose the “tax” part of carbon taxes, than among those concerned about “carbon” as a contributor to climate change, said Bricker, who labelled climate change as a “middling issue.” “It’s there, but it’s not seen as a top priority. It’s a combination of short-term priorities but also this feeling that we can’t really do anything about [climate change], which is what we see in this poll where people don’t agree that carbon taxes will help,” he said. With Ontarians set to head for the polls June 7, the progressive parties would be well-advised to prevent harping on about carbon taxes unless they want to give Doug Ford a helping hand, Bricker said — “Because what it really does is ricochet back on the Conservative voters and gives them more passion about supporting a change in government.” These are some of the findings of an Ipsos poll conducted between May 4 and 7, 2018, on behalf of Global News. For this survey, a sample of 1,197 Ontario eligible voters was interviewed online (789 Ontarian eligible voters aged 18+ from Ipsos’ online panel were interviewed online, supplemented by river-based sampling) and by telephone (408 Ontarian eligible voters aged 18+ via live-operator random-digit dialing, dual-frame cellphone and landline). Weighting was then employed to balance demographics to ensure that the sample’s composition reflects that of the adult population according to Census data and to provide results intended to approximate the sample universe. The precision of Ipsos online polls is measured using a credibility interval. In this case, the poll is accurate to within ±3.2 percentage points, 19 times out of 20, had all eligible Ontario voters been polled. Edited May 14, 2018 by revrnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, revrnd said: The Global News item: https://globalnews.ca/news/4204847/ontario-carbon-tax-election-poll/ the only surprise is 33% of Cons agree with carbon tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Doug, clean this shit up. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/hydro-one-raise-board-of-directors-1.4662385 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: SEARS FUCKED OVER THEIR WORKERS - you got out and got paid off so you don't care Business was run into the ground you cheer it for some fucking strange reason Let me know when you will be paying your debt back, is never too soon Fail stupidity continues as he babbles on about something he knows nothing about. The demise of Sears has nothing to do with waste. Like I said it was all the doing of one person who kept selling off everything piece by piece and pocketing the money for himself. He went through a bunch of CEO's who could have turned things around had he not sold everything off, including the Craftsman name, declaring massive dividends and not reinvesting in the business. Nobody is cheering you dumb ass. God but you are a demented idiot. The government fucked over workers and everyone outside of government is vulnerable. Government let pension plans remain underfunded and kept leaving that window open rather than require the pension plans be topped up. Government are the only ones who aren't vulnerable.... any shortfall the employer just TAKES more money from the taxpayer. You me and everyone else is paying for that debt every day. But of course you're too stupid to understand that. $11.97B is paid by all of us every year in interest payments for Ontario alone. Population of 13,600,000. That's $880.00 for each and every man, woman and child in the province annually. Based on a family of four that would be $3521 for each family. If the Wynnebags of the world weren't as stupid as the likes of you then they would stop growing that debt and reverse the direction to start paying down that debt. I know there are a lot better things that can be done with that kind of money than paying debt. Edited May 15, 2018 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Thinking of voting NDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1trailmaker Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Thinking of voting NDP. saw this floating around I didn't think it was true. I don't see anything about this... Nice to actually look this stuff up, unlike Slogan Doug https://www.ontariondp.ca/sites/default/files/VisionDoc-ENG-111517.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: she is running for city council that is why it doesn't say Liberal on the sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 4 hours ago, 02sled said: Fail stupidity continues as he babbles on about something he knows nothing about. The demise of Sears has nothing to do with waste. Like I said it was all the doing of one person who kept selling off everything piece by piece and pocketing the money for himself. He went through a bunch of CEO's who could have turned things around had he not sold everything off, including the Craftsman name, declaring massive dividends and not reinvesting in the business. Nobody is cheering you dumb ass. God but you are a demented idiot. The government fucked over workers and everyone outside of government is vulnerable. Government let pension plans remain underfunded and kept leaving that window open rather than require the pension plans be topped up. Government are the only ones who aren't vulnerable.... any shortfall the employer just TAKES more money from the taxpayer. You me and everyone else is paying for that debt every day. But of course you're too stupid to understand that. $11.97B is paid by all of us every year in interest payments for Ontario alone. Population of 13,600,000. That's $880.00 for each and every man, woman and child in the province annually. Based on a family of four that would be $3521 for each family. If the Wynnebags of the world weren't as stupid as the likes of you then they would stop growing that debt and reverse the direction to start paying down that debt. I know there are a lot better things that can be done with that kind of money than paying debt. when will you pay your share paying only interest keeps the debt alive for ever. When will you pay your share Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: she is running for city council that is why it doesn't say Liberal on the sign http://voteamanda.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: saw this floating around I didn't think it was true. I don't see anything about this... Nice to actually look this stuff up, unlike Slogan Doug https://www.ontariondp.ca/sites/default/files/VisionDoc-ENG-111517.pdf You OK with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: she is running for city council that is why it doesn't say Liberal on the sign More FICTION FROM THE DELUSIONAL MIND OF FAIL... SHE'S RUNNING FOR MPP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: http://voteamanda.ca/ she is using her old signs from ward 6 councilor Why waste good money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: she is using her old signs from ward 6 councilor Why waste good money Not a good time to join the Liberals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: saw this floating around I didn't think it was true. I don't see anything about this... Nice to actually look this stuff up, unlike Slogan Doug https://www.ontariondp.ca/sites/default/files/VisionDoc-ENG-111517.pdf It's true Fail.... Let's put up those people that walk into the country in 4 and 5 star hotels.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, 02sled said: It's true Fail.... Let's put up those people that walk into the country in 4 and 5 star hotels.... free health care for anyone - where did it say that Did you read the section where you copied this from? We will work with professional associations and the federal government to streamline the process for foreign credential recognition so that highly-educated immigrants can find meaningful employment in their areas of expertise. sounds bad to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: free health care for anyone - where did it say that Did you read the section where you copied this from? We will work with professional associations and the federal government to streamline the process for foreign credential recognition so that highly-educated immigrants can find meaningful employment in their areas of expertise. sounds bad to me KEEP READING FURTHER FAIL... STARTS WITH FREE PHARMACARE, THEN ONTO DENTAL. NOW PAY ATTENTION... PEOPLE ARRIVING AND CLAIMING REFUGEE ALREADY GET FREE ACCOMODATION, FOOD, CLOTHING, MEDICAL AND DENTAL AS WELL AS MENTAL HEALTH CARE IF NEEDED. Yup... the dentist/doctor from the village in Zimbabwe is all but ready to practice here in Ontario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: free health care for anyone - where did it say that Did you read the section where you copied this from? We will work with professional associations and the federal government to streamline the process for foreign credential recognition so that highly-educated immigrants can find meaningful employment in their areas of expertise. sounds bad to me Nobody who is highly educated gives a crap about the NDP, they are not their targets. More deadbeats milking the system fast tracked to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, 02sled said: KEEP READING FURTHER FAIL... STARTS WITH FREE PHARMACARE, THEN ONTO DENTAL. NOW PAY ATTENTION... PEOPLE ARRIVING AND CLAIMING REFUGEE ALREADY GET FREE ACCOMODATION, FOOD, CLOTHING, MEDICAL AND DENTAL AS WELL AS MENTAL HEALTH CARE IF NEEDED. Yup... the dentist/doctor from the village in Zimbabwe is all but ready to practice here in Ontario. meme's are always YOUR best source and you need to check your facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Nobody who is highly educated gives a crap about the NDP, they are not their targets. More deadbeats milking the system fast tracked to vote. was only pointing out the meme is not true As it stands today you only need to be here for 6 months to get a health card Edited May 15, 2018 by 1trailmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 On May 13, 2018 at 12:54 PM, 1trailmaker said: typical oneway 100% spot fucking on, there are 1000's of WRONG AGAIN FAILs to fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 More WRONG AGAIN FAIL beat down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: meme's are always YOUR best source and you need to check your facts Not a MEME dumbass... the actual NDP document was my source... too bad you only read a couple of lines that suit your agenda... but that's to be expected from you're blinkers on attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, 02sled said: Not a MEME dumbass... the actual NDP document was my source... too bad you only read a couple of lines that suit your agenda... but that's to be expected from you're blinkers on attitude. keep going 02sled you can do it - post them meme's No where does it mention giving foreigners free health care. Another thing, you don't have to pay taxes to get health care, another falsehood of the meme - stay at home parents don't pay taxes now do they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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