revrnd Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: It’s more likely that he is lying when he says these incidents never happened. Is Jian Ghomeshi a creep or were those allegations all fabricated too? Women have very little to gain personally by coming forward. In fact, in the majority of cases it’s just the opposite since idiots like you are more than happy to call them liars and hurl insults at them causing them to be victimized a second time. Well Ghomeshi's accusers didn't help their credibility by their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: It’s more likely that he is lying when he says these incidents never happened. Is Jian Ghomeshi a creep or were those allegations all fabricated too? Women have very little to gain personally by coming forward. In fact, in the majority of cases it’s just the opposite since idiots like you are more than happy to call them liars and hurl insults at them causing them to be victimized a second time. Obviously you didn't pay attention to the court findings with Jian Ghomeshi. They found that his accusers colluded among each other, fabricated and passed off fiction as fact. Simply stated they lied under oath in court and were caught in their lies. Does he like it rough... apparently. Is that illegal or wrong. Not that I have heard of. But of course in your world women never lie... even when caught while under oath in court. Now... I didn't insult them nor did I say they were liars. I said it's possible they are and that because they are anonymous they can say whatever they want with total impunity. Just like someone could say you get it on with animals, remain anonymous and never have to substantiate their claims beyond, they said so. Our systems of justice say you have the right to confront your accusers and defend yourself... not in this case. After all a woman said so. It must be true. They never make anything up or lie. Edited January 28, 2018 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: It’s more likely that he is lying when he says these incidents never happened. Is Jian Ghomeshi a creep or were those allegations all fabricated too? Women have very little to gain personally by coming forward. In fact, in the majority of cases it’s just the opposite since idiots like you are more than happy to call them liars and hurl insults at them causing them to be victimized a second time. Holy fuck. Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 If these accusations had come when he threw his name in the ring for the PC leadership, how they would've been received? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, revrnd said: If these accusations had come when he threw his name in the ring for the PC leadership, how they would've been received? the same way it was when the PC party found out about them, na never happened move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, 02sled said: Obviously you didn't pay attention to the court findings with Jian Ghomeshi. They found that his accusers colluded among each other, fabricated and passed off fiction as fact. Simply stated they lied under oath in court and were caught in their lies. Does he like it rough... apparently. Is that illegal or wrong. Not that I have heard of. But of course in your world women never lie... even when caught while under oath in court. Now... I didn't insult them nor did I say they were liars. I said it's possible they are and that because they are anonymous they can say whatever they want with total impunity. Just like someone could say you get it on with animals, remain anonymous and never have to substantiate their claims beyond, they said so. Our systems of justice say you have the right to confront your accusers and defend yourself... not in this case. After all a woman said so. It must be true. They never make anything up or lie. Soooo, women always lie about assault especially when it’s to do with Conservative politicians. Got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, ICEMAN! said: Soooo, women always lie about assault especially when it’s to do with Conservative politicians. Got it Gian is a Liberal. Women lie, get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: Gian is a Liberal. Women lie, get used to it. Doubtful that these women are. Why did the PC party bail on Brown instantly? Because he’s innocent and they were so shocked to hear the news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 If there is any kind of conspiracy it would be from the inside of the Cons inner circle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, ICEMAN! said: Doubtful that these women are. Why did the PC party bail on Brown instantly? Because he’s innocent and they were so shocked to hear the news? Nothing Brown was accused of had any chance of a conviction in the courts. None what so ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, 1trailmaker said: If there is any kind of conspiracy it would be from the inside of the Cons inner circle Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Nothing Brown was accused of had any chance of a conviction in the courts. None what so ever. So? That doesn't mean he should get away with it without facing any consequences and she’s free to tell whoever she feels like, as many times as she wants and for as long as she wants. If he doesn’t want these stories being told, perhaps he should have kept his dick in his pants, but it’s too late for that now. Take your complaints up with the PC Party of Ontario. They’re the ones that tossed him under the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: So? That doesn't mean he should get away with it without facing any consequences and she’s free to tell whoever she feels like, as many times as she wants and for as long as she wants. If he doesn’t want these stories being told, perhaps he should have kept his dick in his pants, but it’s too late for that now. Take your complaints up with the PC Party of Ontario. They’re the ones that tossed him under the bus. Who is she exactly? Maybe you might get a clue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Who is she exactly? Maybe you might get a clue? Just another couple of lying women I guess They fabricated their stories a decade ago about Brown assaulting them, told their friends about it at that time - one even told her dad, and then waited until now just so they could ruin Brown’s chances of being premier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Just another couple of lying women I guess They fabricated their stories a decade ago about Brown assaulting them, told their friends about it at that time - one even told her dad, and then waited until now just so they could ruin Brown’s chances of being premier. What assault? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: What assault? no assault just douche - you can't be a douche and be a leader this isn't the Private sector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, ICEMAN! said: Doubtful that these women are. Why did the PC party bail on Brown instantly? Because he’s innocent and they were so shocked to hear the news? Duffy was innocent too. Mind you the media had him as guilty up until the election & then ignored him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: no assault just douche - you can't be a douche and be a leader this isn't the Private sector Just straightening out ICEDouche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 to change the subject from douche nuts to hockey The change of power to Sports Net from CBC ends up being twice as good as it used to be. We still have hockey night in Canada plus so much more, as long as Sportsnet keeps sharing the wealth it will all good NHL Skills on tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 14 hours ago, ICEMAN! said: Soooo, women always lie about assault especially when it’s to do with Conservative politicians. Got it Wrong... I said some of the claims that have been made by women about alleged assaults have actually been proven to be lies. But of course in your mind it's impossible for any of these women to lie or exaggerate. Nothing to do with Conservative politicians. Just in general some may be motivated in some way to make false allegations. So according to you if a woman says she was approached inappropriately or assaulted it's the gospel truth... every last word and must be accepted without question even if the allegations are made anonymously. Then the man whose life is changed irrevocably for ever hasn't any recourse but to accept the impact to his life even if in fact he's innocent. http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2017/11/20/jeremy-piven-passes-lie-detector-test-over-sexual-assault-allegations Jeremy Piven has undertaken and passed a lie detector test about the sexual assault allegations against him. The former Entourage actor has been accused of sexual misconduct by three women amidst the scandal sweeping Hollywood, and he took to Twitter to declare his innocence and offered to take a polygraph test to prove it. But of course according to you the polygraph is wrong and he is still guilty because the accusers NEVER lie or exaggerate. Or perhaps this one... according to you the women never lie or make things up. Now a likely candidate with an axe to grind and perhaps lie would be an ex-wife. In this case though you would choose to believe the 16 year old girl because she's a girl and they never lie. Oh wait... his ex-wife is a woman and according to you she doesn't lie either. One of them is. Sylvester Stallone's ex-wife, Brigitte Nielsen, says there is no way Stallone could have sexually assaulted a 16-year-old girl in Las Vegas because she was with him the entire time. The Daily Mail posted a story that the 16-year-old met Stallone in 1986 during the filming of "Over the Top" and he invited the girl to his hotel room at the Vegas Hilton where he allegedly forced her to have oral sex with him as his bodyguard raped her. Nielsen tells TMZ, "During the summer of 1986 we were newlyweds. I was inseparable with Sylvester when 'Over the Top' was being shot in Las Vegas. The story claims that at approximately 8:30 in the evening during the shoot of the movie the person claims she was in our suite at the Hilton Hotel." Nielsen goes on to say, "This incident did not occur. Most of the day, I would watch him film, then we'd have dinner and go to our room. No other person was in the room with him, but me." Give it a rest Iceman... some of the women who make allegations lie. That's a fact plain and simple. The most likely would be those who are anonymous and will never be seen or heard from again. But they destroy a man in under a minute. If you can't understand not all allegations are true then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, 02sled said: Wrong... I said some of the claims that have been made by women about alleged assaults have actually been proven to be lies. But of course in your mind it's impossible for any of these women to lie or exaggerate. Nothing to do with Conservative politicians. Just in general some may be motivated in some way to make false allegations. So according to you if a woman says she was approached inappropriately or assaulted it's the gospel truth... every last word and must be accepted without question even if the allegations are made anonymously. Then the man whose life is changed irrevocably for ever hasn't any recourse but to accept the impact to his life even if in fact he's innocent. http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2017/11/20/jeremy-piven-passes-lie-detector-test-over-sexual-assault-allegations Jeremy Piven has undertaken and passed a lie detector test about the sexual assault allegations against him. The former Entourage actor has been accused of sexual misconduct by three women amidst the scandal sweeping Hollywood, and he took to Twitter to declare his innocence and offered to take a polygraph test to prove it. But of course according to you the polygraph is wrong and he is still guilty because the accusers NEVER lie or exaggerate. Or perhaps this one... according to you the women never lie or make things up. Now a likely candidate with an axe to grind and perhaps lie would be an ex-wife. In this case though you would choose to believe the 16 year old girl because she's a girl and they never lie. Oh wait... his ex-wife is a woman and according to you she doesn't lie either. One of them is. Sylvester Stallone's ex-wife, Brigitte Nielsen, says there is no way Stallone could have sexually assaulted a 16-year-old girl in Las Vegas because she was with him the entire time. The Daily Mail posted a story that the 16-year-old met Stallone in 1986 during the filming of "Over the Top" and he invited the girl to his hotel room at the Vegas Hilton where he allegedly forced her to have oral sex with him as his bodyguard raped her. Nielsen tells TMZ, "During the summer of 1986 we were newlyweds. I was inseparable with Sylvester when 'Over the Top' was being shot in Las Vegas. The story claims that at approximately 8:30 in the evening during the shoot of the movie the person claims she was in our suite at the Hilton Hotel." Nielsen goes on to say, "This incident did not occur. Most of the day, I would watch him film, then we'd have dinner and go to our room. No other person was in the room with him, but me." Give it a rest Iceman... some of the women who make allegations lie. That's a fact plain and simple. The most likely would be those who are anonymous and will never be seen or heard from again. But they destroy a man in under a minute. If you can't understand not all allegations are true then Meh, I read none of that. Do you think it would have been good for the party to keep him on with those allegations hanging over his head so close to an election? Simple answer. No essays required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 15 hours ago, ICEMAN! said: Doubtful that these women are. Why did the PC party bail on Brown instantly? Because he’s innocent and they were so shocked to hear the news? Because that is the sad state of things today.... the man is instantly convicted in the court of public opinion. YOU'RE LIVING PROOF OF THAT. A woman said so... it has to be all true. They are so close to an election and need to distance themselves from any allegations true or false. The allegations could not be possibly addressed and determined true or false before the election. Then of course there are people like that still wouldn't believe they were lies even if proven to be lies. You obviously don't believe in our justice system. Innocent until proven guilty. 14 hours ago, ICEMAN! said: Just another couple of lying women I guess They fabricated their stories a decade ago about Brown assaulting them, told their friends about it at that time - one even told her dad, and then waited until now just so they could ruin Brown’s chances of being premier. Yeah right.... one even told her dad... think about that. You're the dad of a teenage girl. Your daughter comes home and tells you this and you do nothing about it. Right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Meh, I read none of that. Do you think it would have been good for the party to keep him on with those allegations hanging over his head so close to an election? Simple answer. No essays required. too stupid to pay attention to the fact some of these women lie huh... oh well you selectively choose to ignore proof that some are just liars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, 02sled said: too stupid to pay attention to the fact some of these women lie huh... oh well you selectively choose to ignore proof that some are just liars. So you’re saying the PC Party leadership and MPPs are all stupid? "In the interest of the Ontario PC Party we unanimously agree that Mr. Brown cannot continue serving as the Leader," said a statement from the caucus, issued by deputy leaders Sylvia Jones and Steve Clark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Meh, I read none of that. Do you think it would have been good for the party to keep him on with those allegations hanging over his head so close to an election? Simple answer. No essays required. Sadly they had no choice. May even have been triggered from inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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