02sled Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: You are not free from what the costs would be from the standard 90% of cars that get small leak detected vapour If you spend $200 on repairs you're in the clear are you not. Something like a conditional pass I think they call it. It's fun for the people that live in Port Severn. If you are east of the lock you are in Severn Township and have to have your vehicle tested for emissions. If you are west of the lock it's Georgian Bay Township, part of the District of Muskoka and exempt. I guess people in Muskoka and further north have vehicles that don't pollute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 hour ago, 02sled said: If you spend $200 on repairs you're in the clear are you not. Something like a conditional pass I think they call it. It's fun for the people that live in Port Severn. If you are east of the lock you are in Severn Township and have to have your vehicle tested for emissions. If you are west of the lock it's Georgian Bay Township, part of the District of Muskoka and exempt. I guess people in Muskoka and further north have vehicles that don't pollute. I think you're good for 1 of those. I don't think you can get 2 in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 2 hours ago, 02sled said: If you spend $200 on repairs you're in the clear are you not. Something like a conditional pass I think they call it. It's fun for the people that live in Port Severn. If you are east of the lock you are in Severn Township and have to have your vehicle tested for emissions. If you are west of the lock it's Georgian Bay Township, part of the District of Muskoka and exempt. I guess people in Muskoka and further north have vehicles that don't pollute. 33 minutes ago, revrnd said: I think you're good for 1 of those. I don't think you can get 2 in a row. You have to spend up to $450 at a credited service station, you cna't just go to your regular guy in some cases. and no second chance - small leak detect is BS I pump out more fumes filling the tank once than that leak would produce in years Its nuts Toss the car out because the gas cap won't seal 100% FUCK OFF How to qualify for a conditional pass To qualify for a conditional pass: you must have obtained a failed emission test within the last 120 days the cost of all emissions-related repairs must be at least equal to the current Repair Cost Limit, before taxes your repair estimate and actual repairs must be emissions-related the diagnostic and repairs must be done by a certified repair technician at an accredited Drive Clean facility Restrictions on qualifying for a conditional pass The conditional pass will not be available for: vehicles with an existing conditional pass issued on or after April 1, 2017. Back-to-back conditional passes are no longer available. repairs you do yourself repairs done at a facility other than a Drive Clean facility repairs needed to pass the pre-test check, including: missing gas cap or catalytic converter visible smoke coming from the tailpipe defects in the fuel filler pipe or the on-board diagnostic data link connector an exhaust system leak emissions-related repairs — completed more than 60 days prior to current test non-emissions-related repairs repairs under warranty You do not need to have the work done at the same Drive Clean test facility that did the first test. But you pay less for a retest, if the same testing facility conducts the retest. Repair Cost Limit The current Repair Cost Limit is $450 before taxes. To qualify for a conditional pass, the cost of all emissions-related repairs must be at least equal to the current Repair Cost Limit, before taxes. The Repair Cost Limit increases annually according to the Consumer Price Index. The first increase will happen January 1, 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usedtoskidoo Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 On 2017-12-02 at 4:16 PM, 1trailmaker said: REBEL has new hottie to do the ramblings and twisting of facts You two should enjoy this What is interesting is Rebel and you two have never said anything other than I will beat the gay out of you - I find that strange WTF are you rambling about? First of all I don't read the rebel or watch it. #2 She hasn't been with the rebel for 6 months................Beat the gay out of you? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfish Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 National Absurdity Day is a daily celebration around my house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev144 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 the liberal government is fucked. Auditors report was not too kind. years of liberal government are bankrupting this province. Most in debt sub nation in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kev144 said: the liberal government is fucked. Auditors report was not too kind. years of liberal government are bankrupting this province. Most in debt sub nation in the world. debt is irrelevant and to be ignored... just ask Fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev144 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 32 minutes ago, 02sled said: debt is irrelevant and to be ignored... just ask Fail. sorry i forgot the budget will balance itself as the liberals are caught fudging the numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, Kev144 said: sorry i forgot the budget will balance itself as the liberals are caught fudging the numbers don't forget under Fiberal math money owed is considered an asset in their creative accounting called out by the auditor general as not right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Kev144 said: the liberal government is fucked. Auditors report was not too kind. years of liberal government are bankrupting this province. Most in debt sub nation in the world. That was 6 years ago, now we are just more fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Kev144 said: the liberal government is fucked. Auditors report was not too kind. years of liberal government are bankrupting this province. Most in debt sub nation in the world. I like that buzz word, will you be using that when Brown is in charge? You know most Countries don't have separate provincial type budgets and most don't have 15 million people but ya I like the buzz word This will never change unless another sub country spends more because we will never pay any amount of debt back that matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, 02sled said: debt is irrelevant and to be ignored... just ask Fail. when every country world wide owns money, ya I say its really irrelevant until someone makes it an issue - remember Greece? what happen did they all of a sudden get rich? USA owes so much money its insane but they are tops in the world, it is impossible for them to pay back the money owed Wake up 02sled - this is why we only talk about balancing the budget and not the debt. Debt to GDP is all that matters. Canada has only had a few balanced budgets in the past 100 years 8 from liberals and 1 from Harper if you call it one. Bill Davis ran 17 consecutive deficits but he was the best Premier ever in your eyes - Liberals had 3 before the crash Mike Harris sold 407 and used that to balance his final budgets Its not rocket science 02sled - debt is the norm world wide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: That was 6 years ago, now we are just more fucked. we will be fine just like we are today people buying million dollar homes doesn't sound broke too me buy sled buy trucks buy ATV's buy fast food buy buy buy Patrick is going ot make it all better Edited December 12, 2017 by 1trailmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, 1trailmaker said: we will be fine just like we are today people buying million dollar homes doesn't sound broke too me buy sled buy trucks buy ATV's buy fast food buy buy buy Patrick is going ot make it all better What part of the above are you doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: What part of the above are you doing? none right now I like old stuff that is why I keep the wife around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: none right now I like old stuff that is why I keep the wife around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 12 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: we will be fine just like we are today people buying million dollar homes doesn't sound broke too me buy sled buy trucks buy ATV's buy fast food buy buy buy Patrick is going ot make it all better And all reports show that personal debt is rising. What is going to happen if interest rates rise? I remember back in the 80s when a co-worker walked away from a house he couldnt afford when he hadto renegotiate new terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, revrnd said: And all reports show that personal debt is rising. What is going to happen if interest rates rise? I remember back in the 80s when a co-worker walked away from a house he couldnt afford when he hadto renegotiate new terms. I have no doubt it will happen again then again and again but right now is the first time in 10+ years to not here the term "in this economy" either way its expensive to live in this country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 57 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: I have no doubt it will happen again then again and again but right now is the first time in 10+ years to not here the term "in this economy" either way its expensive to live in this country People always get in over their heads and will get burned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 15 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: I like that buzz word, will you be using that when Brown is in charge? You know most Countries don't have separate provincial type budgets and most don't have 15 million people but ya I like the buzz word This will never change unless another sub country spends more because we will never pay any amount of debt back that matters Ontario population 4 months ago - 14,193,384 but of course you round that up to 15M. You know most Countries don't have separate provincial type budgets - based on what, your imagination as usual. Ontario debt - $312B Population of California - 39.5 M - debt $146.4B Texas - 28.3 M - debt $59.4B Florida - 21 M - debt $29.3B New York - 19.7 M - debt $143.2B So Ontario with only 36% of the population of California has 2.1 times the debt of California. But of course Fail thinks debt is irrelevant and unimportant and dismisses it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, 02sled said: Ontario population 4 months ago - 14,193,384 but of course you round that up to 15M. You know most Countries don't have separate provincial type budgets - based on what, your imagination as usual. Ontario debt - $312B Population of California - 39.5 M - debt $146.4B Texas - 28.3 M - debt $59.4B Florida - 21 M - debt $29.3B New York - 19.7 M - debt $143.2B So Ontario with only 36% of the population of California has 2.1 times the debt of California. But of course Fail thinks debt is irrelevant and unimportant and dismisses it. okay lets see States = how much is their UHC ? 0$ how much is their road clearing costs? 0$ except maybe NY how much city debt? Ontario Cities must balance, they can't say the same so if you actually looked at all the facts you will find California has a total debt of 850 billion 4 times Ontario same goes for every single State I think there are many reasons why Ontario seems to have more debt, some of that is due to how the debt is presented . There is no argument on our total debt, but there is on other comparable places Our debt isn't going away 02sled here is some reading http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-400-billion-debt-worries-analysts-6812264.php Year GDP-CA $ billion nominal Population-CA million Gross Public Debt -total $ billion nominal 2000 1363 33.988 177.92 a 2001 1376.16 34.480 191.93 i 2002 1431.27 34.872 209.67 a 2003 1523.47 35.253 246.88 i 2004 1645.08 35.575 270.43 a 2005 1766.69 35.828 286.79 a 2006 1879.52 36.021 300.67 a 2007 1956.52 36.250 330.54 a 2008 1983.93 36.604 341.03 a 2009 1912.12 36.961 374.84 a 2010 1965.89 37.333 405.66 a 2011 2036.3 37.677 420.72 a 2012 2131.2 38.011 420.10 a 2013 2223.89 38.335 420.48 a 2014 2349.34 38.681 424.64 a 2015 2491.62 38.994 420.98 a 2016 2602.67 39.250 421.05 g 2017 2709.65 39.508 423.80 g 2018 2845.35 39.767 429.15 g 2019 2987.75 40.028 438.56 g 2020 3141.26 40.291 453.13 g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 44 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: okay lets see States = how much is their UHC ? 0$ how much is their road clearing costs? 0$ except maybe NY how much city debt? Ontario Cities must balance, they can't say the same so if you actually looked at all the facts you will find California has a total debt of 850 billion 4 times Ontario same goes for every single State I think there are many reasons why Ontario seems to have more debt, some of that is due to how the debt is presented . There is no argument on our total debt, but there is on other comparable places Our debt isn't going away 02sled GDP-CA $ billion nominal Population-CA million Gross Public Debt -total $ billion nominal 2000 1363 33.988 177.92 a 2001 1376.16 34.480 191.93 i 2002 1431.27 34.872 209.67 a 2003 1523.47 35.253 246.88 i 2004 1645.08 35.575 270.43 a 2005 1766.69 35.828 286.79 a 2006 1879.52 36.021 300.67 a 2007 1956.52 36.250 330.54 a 2008 1983.93 36.604 341.03 a 2009 1912.12 36.961 374.84 a 2010 1965.89 37.333 405.66 a 2011 2036.3 37.677 420.72 a 2012 2131.2 38.011 420.10 a 2013 2223.89 38.335 420.48 a 2014 2349.34 38.681 424.64 a 2015 2491.62 38.994 420.98 a 2016 2602.67 39.250 421.05 g 2017 2709.65 39.508 423.80 g 2018 2845.35 39.767 429.15 g 2019 2987.75 40.028 438.56 g 2020 3141.26 40.291 453.13 g Oh so wrong as usual Fail. Close but no cigar.... semantics just because their "balanced budget" means they include debt payments doesn't mean squat. Cities are not allowed to run deficits, but they can borrow to spend on infrastructure and other projects, and they do — Toronto has a debt of $3.5 billion, How much money do you think California spends on droughts and wild fires that we don't. Bottom line the Wynnebag Fiberals have spiralled out of control on spending. Why because they can. I wouldn't trust them to run a lemonade stand. To foolishly include local debt as part of the state debt is not comparable since Ontario debt doesn't include local debt. But of course you like to spin things to suit your agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, 02sled said: Oh so wrong as usual Fail. Close but no cigar.... semantics just because their "balanced budget" means they include debt payments doesn't mean squat. Cities are not allowed to run deficits, but they can borrow to spend on infrastructure and other projects, and they do — Toronto has a debt of $3.5 billion, How much money do you think California spends on droughts and wild fires that we don't. Bottom line the Wynnebag Fiberals have spiralled out of control on spending. Why because they can. I wouldn't trust them to run a lemonade stand. To foolishly include local debt as part of the state debt is not comparable since Ontario debt doesn't include local debt. But of course you like to spin things to suit your agenda. we don't have local debt or the pension debts or school debts, they are all in Ontario's total unlike the USA. No need to argue about it - Just saying your statement is nothing more than a meme without facts Next year Brown will be premier and the debt will increase and will be the most in blah blah lbah but you want say it any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 50 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: we don't have local debt or the pension debts or school debts, they are all in Ontario's total unlike the USA. No need to argue about it - Just saying your statement is nothing more than a meme without facts Next year Brown will be premier and the debt will increase and will be the most in blah blah lbah but you want say it any more No it increased the most under the fibs, but keep distracting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: we don't have local debt or the pension debts or school debts, they are all in Ontario's total unlike the USA. No need to argue about it - Just saying your statement is nothing more than a meme without facts Next year Brown will be premier and the debt will increase and will be the most in blah blah lbah but you want say it any more STILL WRONG AGAIN FAIL... do you ever get tired of just making things up. Your imagination really is worth studying by the experts. The auditors report for the TDSB 2016 shows... oh what's that word DEBT. Those numbers are in 1000's. Municipal taxes pay for the school. Look at your residential property tax and the portion marked EDUCATION. Give up Fail... just realize that thanks to Wynnebag and the her merry band of thieves we now have more debt than anyone else in the world that isn't a country. Only irresponsible idiots that assume the voters are even bigger idiots, which in some cases is true, would try and pass off debt as an asset even after the auditor general calls them on it. Nice try at your usual deflection referring to Brown when you know you are wrong. Edited December 13, 2017 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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