AP Poll: 78 Percent Say Public School Teachers Aren't Paid Enough

[Skidooski]

Those that can, do. Those who can't, teach; and those who can't do neither, administer.

 And those who are even more useless, sell light bulbs

[Highmark]

Just like Healthcare.   Shouldn't we be able to do more with less?   Come on liberals defend this.  

 

U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows

WASHINGTON The United States spends more than other developed nations on its students' education each year, with parents and private foundations picking up more of the costs, an international survey released Tuesday found.

Despite the spending, U.S. students still trail their rivals on international tests.

The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development — which groups the world's most developed countries — writes in its annual report that brand-new and experienced teachers alike in the United States out-earn most of their counterparts around the globe. But U.S. salaries have not risen at the same pace as other nations.

The findings, part of a 440-page tome of statistics, put the United States' spending on its young people in context.

The United States spent more than $11,000 per elementary student in 2010 and more than $12,000 per high school student. When researchers factored in the cost for programs after high school education such as college or vocational training, the United States spent $15,171 on each young person in the system — more than any other nation covered in the report.

That sum inched past some developed countries and far surpassed others. Switzerland's total spending per student was $14,922 while Mexico averaged $2,993 in 2010. The average OECD nation spent $9,313 per young person.

As a share of its economy, the United States spent more than the average country in the survey. In 2010, the United States spent 7.3 percent of its gross domestic product on education, compared with the 6.3 percent average of other OECD countries. Denmark topped the list on that measure with 8 percent of its gross domestic product going toward education.

Spending, of course, only tells part of the story and does not guarantee students' success. The United States routinely trails its rival countries in performances on international exams despite being among the heaviest spenders on education.

U.S. fourth-graders are 11th in the world in math in the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, a separate measure of nations against each other. U.S. eighth-graders ranked ninth in math, according to those 2011 results.

The Program for International Student Assessment measurement found the United States ranked 31st in math literacy among 15-year-old students and below the international average. The same 2009 tests found the United States ranked 23rd in science among the same students, but posting an average score.

And it's not as though all spending on education is public, the OECD report found. Public spending accounts for just 70 cents of every education dollar in the United States. Parents picked up another 25 cents and private sources paid for the remainder in 2010.

A decade earlier, the public's share of education spending was 72 cents on every dollar.

The average OECD nation spent 84 cents of every education dollar, down from 88 cents a decade earlier.

For post-high school programs, the United States is far outspent in public dollars. U.S. taxpayers picked up 36 cents of every dollar spent on college and vocational training programs. Families and private sources picked up the balance.

In other OECD nations, it was roughly reversed: The public picked up 68 cents of every dollar in advanced training and private sources picked up the other 32 cents.

"When people talk about other countries out-educating the United States, it needs to be remembered that those other nations are out-investing us in education as well," said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, a labor union.

Still, teachers in the United States fare fine.

The average first-year high school teacher in the United States earns about $38,000. OECD nations pay their comparable educators just more than $31,000.

That trails Luxembourg, which pays its first year teachers more than $72,000 a year, but far exceeds the $10,000 paid to first-year high school teachers in Slovakia. Among all educators, U.S. payrolls are competitive. The average high school teacher in the United States earns about $53,000, well above the average of $45,500 among all OECD nations.

Even so, other nations have increased teachers' salaries more quickly than the United States, which has been confronting tighter budgets as a result of the economic recession.

"Teachers' salaries represent the largest single cost in formal education and have a direct impact on the attractiveness of the teaching profession," the report states. "Since compensation and working conditions are important for attracting, developing and retaining skilled and high-quality teachers, policy makers should carefully consider teachers' salaries as they try to ensure both quality teaching and sustainable education budgets."

[Jimmy Snacks]

These threads always go this way...easiest job out there, overpaid , lazy, ect....yet everyone here with kids relied on teachers and would be absolutely fucked without a public education system.

[Jimmy Snacks]

These threads always go this way...easiest job out there, overpaid , lazy, ect....yet everyone here with kids relied on teachers and would be absolutely fucked without a public education system.

[Jimmy Snacks]

These threads always go this way...easiest job out there, overpaid , lazy, ect....yet everyone here with kids relied on teachers and would be absolutely fucked without a public education system.

[Jimmy Snacks]

These threads always go this way...easiest job out there, overpaid , lazy, ect....yet everyone here with kids relied on teachers and would be absolutely fucked without a public education system.

[Jimmy Snacks]

Holy fuck!

[SnowRider]

What’s cost of living have to do with underperforming as it relates to compensation.....

[Zambroski]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Holy fuck!

Drove that point home, eh?

4 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

What’s cost of living have to do with underperforming as it relates to compensation.....

Is this a question?  Because you don’t know?  I’m not answering it because you are trying to cover your stupidity by shifting points that are irrelevant.

So fucking stupid.

[SnowRider]

19 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Lotta underpaid educators especially in low performing Repug states......wonder why.....

 

17 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

"underpaid".

Fucking idiot.  Try looking at cost of living percentages.

FUCKING IDIOT!

 

6 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

What’s cost of living have to do with underperforming as it relates to compensation.....

 

3 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Drove that point home, eh?

Is this a question?  Because you don’t know?  I’m not answering it because you are trying to cover your stupidity by shifting points that are irrelevant.

So fucking stupid.

Tell the class who shifted focus.....  

[Zambroski]

3 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

 

 

 

Tell the class who shifted focus.....  

You did.

”Tell the class”.

 

[spin_dry]

It would be far better to move to a lower wage and load them up on retirement benefits. Most teachers are scorched by the time they hit 50. Fried. Burned out. Still, teachers ought to be well paid. 

[Edmo]

Seems like the same argument about minimum wage. Some areas will support it and some won’t. You tell those folks in West Virginia they have to pay teachers 100k a year and see what happens...

[01mxz800]

34 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

Those that can, do. Those who can't, teach; and those who can't do neither, administer.

 And those who are even more useless, sell light bulbs

........boyriderski

[BOHICA]

supply and demand....

[racer254]

It must be getting close to election time and Democrats must feel like they are loosing the teacher's voting base.

[ArcticCrusher]

52 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

These threads always go this way...easiest job out there, overpaid , lazy, ect....yet everyone here with kids relied on teachers and would be absolutely fucked without a public education system.

No, it's not the easiest job out there, far from it.  It's nice to want teachers who are there for the kids and not the perks and not have to wait for someone to retire before replacing a bad apple.  The public education system belongs to the taxpayers.

[SnowRider]

36 minutes ago, racer254 said:

It must be getting close to election time and Democrats must feel like they are loosing the teacher's voting base.

You should have paid attention in school instead of rejecting education....

[ArcticCrusher]

1 minute ago, SnowRider said:

You should have paid attention in school instead of rejecting education....

If you paid attention in school, you wouldn't be selling light bulbs.  Was that a graduate program?

[SnowRider]

34 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

No, it's not the easiest job out there, far from it.  It's nice to want teachers who are there for the kids and not the perks and not have to wait for someone to retire before replacing a bad apple.  The public education system belongs to the taxpayers.

Do you run your business for the pure love and satisfaction of it..... or do you expect to get compensated fairly?  There are numerous districts across the country where educators qualify for public assistance.  They are there for the kids.....but they are also educated and are important members of a community and deserve to be compensated accordingly.  

[SnowRider]

1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said:

If you paid attention in school, you wouldn't be selling light bulbs.  Was that a graduate program?

Who sells light bulbs 

[ArcticCrusher]

3 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Who sells light bulbs 

LED's are light bulbs by another name.

[racer254]

9 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Do you run your business for the pure love and satisfaction of it..... or do you expect to get compensated fairly?  There are numerous districts across the country where educators qualify for public assistance.  They are there for the kids.....but they are also educated and are important members of a community and deserve to be compensated accordingly.  

Do they deserve it more than ER nurses?  How about daycare providers?

Prove your position, what job should teachers be comparable to?

Edited April 24, 2018 by racer254

[ArcticCrusher]

11 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Do you run your business for the pure love and satisfaction of it..... or do you expect to get compensated fairly?  There are numerous districts across the country where educators qualify for public assistance.  They are there for the kids.....but they are also educated and are important members of a community and deserve to be compensated accordingly.  

Many are there for the kids and many are not.  We pay our teachers $100K here and its sad to see how many are not there for the kids.  I'll bet most of the underpaid teachers are though.  Strange how that works huh?

Bold:  Most have an education in fluff and really have no skills for the private sector.

Edited April 24, 2018 by ArcticCrusher

[MILFMAN]

I believe most are fairly compensated. Of course there are exceptions and the starting wage could be higher. My wife works in the school system as a school nurse, and the main attraction was the schedule for a working mother. She could make more elsewhere but gets incredible amounts of time off.

I would be all for paying teachers much more if they had much less time off. Other duties could be done during that time which could reduce the amount of administration and support positions.