Snake Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 If you happen to believe in free markets, judicial restraint, traditional values, [etc.]… then you are just someone who believes in free markets, judicial restraint and traditional values. There is no personal exaltation resulting from those beliefs. But to be for “social justice” and “saving the environment” or to be “anti-war” is more than just a set of beliefs about empirical facts. This vision puts you on a higher moral plane as someone concerned and compassionate, someone who is for peace in the world, a defender of the downtrodden… In short, one vision makes you somebody special and the other vision does not. These visions are not symmetrical.[…] Because the vision of the anointed is a vision of themselves as well as a vision of the world, when they are defending that vision they are not simply defending a set of hypotheses about external events, they are in a sense defending their very souls – and the zeal and even ruthlessness with which they defend their vision are not surprising under these circumstances. —Thomas Sowell, Intellectuals and Society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Total hogwash. I wouldn't buy any of the shit he is selling, it's for weak-minded fools. Lemme guess, elitist academic with a right leaning slant? Neal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Wtf does "traditional values" even mean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Total hogwash. I wouldn't buy any of the shit he is selling, it's for weak-minded fools. Lemme guess, elitist academic with a right leaning slant? Neal Let me guess, you never heard of Thomas Sowell? Thats the hogwash. 2 hours ago, f7ben said: Wtf does "traditional values" even mean. If someone needs to explain it, you're already lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 11, 2018 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: That even better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Let me guess, you never heard of Thomas Sowell? Thats the hogwash. If someone needs to explain it, you're already lost. Traditional values just sounds like some dogwhistle bullshit for an excuse to discriminate against someone All those traditional values people are the biggest fucking hypocrites I've ever had the displeasure to meet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Traditional values just sounds like some dogwhistle bullshit for an excuse to discriminate against someone All those traditional values people are the biggest fucking hypocrites I've ever had the displeasure to meet Id have to agree with that.....throw religous people in that boat too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, DAVE said: Id have to agree with that.....throw religous people in that boat too... Traditional Values = Religious Nutjob The terms are synonymous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 10 hours ago, Snake said: If you happen to believe in free markets, judicial restraint, traditional values, [etc.]… then you are just someone who believes in free markets, judicial restraint and traditional values. There is no personal exaltation resulting from those beliefs. But to be for “social justice” and “saving the environment” or to be “anti-war” is more than just a set of beliefs about empirical facts. This vision puts you on a higher moral plane as someone concerned and compassionate, someone who is for peace in the world, a defender of the downtrodden… In short, one vision makes you somebody special and the other vision does not. These visions are not symmetrical.[…] Because the vision of the anointed is a vision of themselves as well as a vision of the world, when they are defending that vision they are not simply defending a set of hypotheses about external events, they are in a sense defending their very souls – and the zeal and even ruthlessness with which they defend their vision are not surprising under these circumstances. —Thomas Sowell, Intellectuals and Society "Intellectually elite" 4 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Total hogwash. I wouldn't buy any of the shit he is selling, it's for weak-minded fools. Lemme guess, elitist academic with a right leaning slant? Neal Well done! So proud of you. 9 minutes ago, DAVE said: Id have to agree with that.....throw religous people in that boat too... Yes, but maybe not the "all" part. I think the term "traditional values" is trying to be the next go-to word for right-sided mindset that aren't necessarily that religeous or certainly aren't evangelical fanatical religeous. Still, I think it's a poorly constructed term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 hours ago, DriftBusta said: Let me guess, you never heard of Thomas Sowell? Thats the hogwash. If someone needs to explain it, you're already lost. Well, in all fairness, Sowell is 100% ignored by the liberal media. Any black that doesn't support the Dem party is a whack job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Cold War said: Well, in all fairness, Sowell is 100% ignored by the liberal media. Any black that doesn't support the Dem party is a whack job Traditonal Values=Mother and Father raising kids in a stable safe home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Traditonal Values=Mother and Father raising kids in a stable safe home. The gays and “undecideds” will blow this liberal whistle til it means something bad. Like they are already doing. ”Traditional values”= homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot. Why the Dems feel the whole nation needs to kowtow to the absolute minute percentage of “special needs” groups is astonishing. ...and yet, they still can’t figure out how they’ve lost the American voter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rw06GT Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Neal is a fucking idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rw06GT said: Neal is a fucking idiot. Well, he's just a librul fighting with that fact. Can you blame him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 6 hours ago, f7ben said: Traditional values just sounds like some dogwhistle bullshit for an excuse to discriminate against someone All those traditional values people are the biggest fucking hypocrites I've ever had the displeasure to meet Bingo. Neal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Rw06GT said: Neal is a fucking idiot. Nope. SBYL. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 13 hours ago, f7ben said: Wtf does "traditional values" even mean. pretending you love jesus and have morals when your just lining pockets of your rich donors and trying to keep women and minorities in their place as second class citizens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Angry ginger said: pretending you love jesus and have morals when your just lining pockets of your rich donors and trying to keep women and minorities in their place as second class citizens dont forget bashing gays while secretly fucking male prostitutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, f7ben said: dont forget bashing gays while secretly fucking male prostitutes spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 14 hours ago, f7ben said: Wtf does "traditional values" even mean. It means whatever some self righteous old codger thinks... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 The dude is an asshole disguised as an intellectual. He's got no clear methodology. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/race-and-culture-a-world-view-by-sowell-thomas-new-york-basic-books-1994-352p-2500/49E6173B94AF4AE639FB372FB5F73ECD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 11 hours ago, f7ben said: Traditional values just sounds like some dogwhistle bullshit for an excuse to discriminate against someone All those traditional values people are the biggest fucking hypocrites I've ever had the displeasure to meet You know whats dog whistle bullshit? The term, "dog whistle". Fuck man. And kick yourself in the nuts for disparaging just regular simple folk who hold thesdde values dear, and aren't in the mood to listen to some loud mouthed lout prattle on about it either. 9 hours ago, Cold War said: Well, in all fairness, Sowell is 100% ignored by the liberal media. Any black that doesn't support the Dem party is a whack job Well its pretty clear Neal wasn't familiar with him. 8 hours ago, Rw06GT said: Neal is a fucking idiot. Neal is a classic kneejerk liberal. Contarian for the sake of being contrarian. 1 hour ago, Angry ginger said: pretending you love jesus and have morals when your just lining pockets of your rich donors and trying to keep women and minorities in their place as second class citizens No one is more guilty of that than the Democratic party. And its "you're" . 1 hour ago, Angry ginger said: spot on Don't agree with Ben. It makes him think he's actually relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Rw06GT said: Neal is a fucking idiot. You just now figured that out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: You just now figured that out? I did a long time ago, we are all idiots here! Neal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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