1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, MuskokaGator said: You really need to think before you comment on financial matters. I know that is a lot to ask of you but you really need to try. A 5 billion deficit becomes 20 if the government commits to 5 billion new spending in each of the 4 years. 15 billion only becomes 60 if they commit to 15 billion in new spending in each year for 4 years; if they don't it is just 15 billion for that year. The cost to carry that debt in the following years will add to the deficit but it wont be 15 billion. wrong a deficit is added every year its there - if your deficit is 5 billion than without doing any additional spending it would add 5 billion a year. you have 95 coming in and 100 going out gives you a debt yearly of 5 Its not like you borrowed the money for a car its a one time payout and don't have that debt accumulating. That would be Capital spending carry on Musk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: NO 20 billion is a 5 billion deficit NOT 15 billion like Doug says it is now. That would add 60 billion in 4 years The numbber games these people play is always the same game rules https://globalnews.ca/news/4251305/ontario-debt-explained/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sksman said: Anybody that doesn't believe smoking pot effects your brain really needs to read your posts! Yet you believe the CONS don't run deficits because they said so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: https://globalnews.ca/news/4251305/ontario-debt-explained/ Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: Thanks What does the chart show the debt going up by per year? That's all Wynnebag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: What does the chart show the debt going up by per year? That's all Wynnebag. NO that is what WynneDog projected - its now Doug Ford's debt so year one isn't much he can do, but year 2 is all him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 35 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: NO that is what WynneDog projected - its now Doug Ford's debt so year one isn't much he can do, but year 2 is all him Yes, that is why he needs to clean up after her shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Yes, that is why he needs to clean up after her shit. lol Want to bet on it I think he will Blame Wynne for the next 4 years then get voted out. I hope he just leaves and a real leader is selected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 48 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: lol Want to bet on it I think he will Blame Wynne for the next 4 years then get voted out. I hope he just leaves and a real leader is selected Holly shit. Listen to you. Number one man Harper this. Harper that. Shit you still blame Harris for stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: and their pay is 116k If she is elected why would she not be paid? what a dolt Dumb as a stump.... the lead in of the article is about feeling sorry for Wynnebag.... can you not stop jumping all over to divert from being stupid. You just babbled on about a pension a short time ago.... Edited November 12, 2018 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 16 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: When you inherit a good economy and record employment the books should get better. I don't buy the 15 billion deficit Doug is selling, Do you buy the 10 billion Harper left Trudeau? doubtful Either way if he gives us a tax cut the cost won't matter similar to Harris tax cut - You won't see our debt going down anytime soon or anytime later Get your head out of your ass.... The auditor general, pay attention to the title and position. This is someone whose life is accounting practices, called Wynnebag and the fiberals on their incorrect accounting practices which Wynnebag dismissed. You don't count debt as an asset. The deficit numbers are from the auditor general. Same auditor general for Doug as for Wynnebag. When Wynnebag didn't like what the auditor general stated she removed some of the authority the auditor general had.... like approving whether ads are partisan or not. 16 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: Deferred spending, it was brought up when Trudeau went to near 20 billion deficit Trudeau maintained the Liberals remained consistent with their 2015 election commitment to add about $10 billion in new spending for 2016-17, their first full year in office. He argued, however, that the Liberals had to deal with a baseline deficit of $18 billion after coming to power, even though their Tory predecessors had predicted a balanced budget. The fiscal impact left behind by the Tories was a $1-billion deficit that affected the bottom line in 2015-16, Chloe Luciani-Girouard wrote in an email. Its been Harper's (or any government) game played many times In 2009-10, for example, the final year-end federal deficit wound up at $55.6 billion — fully $15.1 billion worse than the 11-month figures showed in February 2010. In 2011-12, the final deficit was $11.8 billion deeper than the February figure. Last year(14), the final deficit was $4 billion deeper. The auditors recorded and verified a surplus. It's Trudope who spouted the unsubstantiated deficit numbers.... Hmmm who do I believe the independent auditors or Mr. ummm and ahhh. I'll go with the auditors. 14 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: and Wynne's was recorded at 6 billion You are trying very hard to get Harper 1 balanced budget matter of fact this is a Party first since the 60's It really shows how meaningless deficits are, you vote Cons because they are good with money but they aren't even close That was Wynnebags CREATIVE ACCOUNTING numbers. Remember where debt is an asset. Not the numbers the auditor general was on record as saying were WRONG and did not use accepted accounting practices. Using Wynnebags methodologies I am suddenly worth twice what I really am. I'm going to account future income over the rest of my life as an asset today. 3 hours ago, MuskokaGator said: You really need to think before you comment on financial matters. I know that is a lot to ask of you but you really need to try. A 5 billion deficit becomes 20 if the government commits to 5 billion new spending in each of the 4 years. 15 billion only becomes 60 if they commit to 15 billion in new spending in each year for 4 years; if they don't it is just 15 billion for that year. The cost to carry that debt in the following years will add to the deficit but it wont be 15 billion. That goes against who Fail is. After all he has said in the past the CEO of RBC is wrong on business investment. RBC pays him $12.4 M a year. They could replace him with Fail for a fraction of that and get much better financial expertise. Fail says so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, 02sled said: Get your head out of your ass.... The auditor general, pay attention to the title and position. This is someone whose life is accounting practices, called Wynnebag and the fiberals on their incorrect accounting practices which Wynnebag dismissed. You don't count debt as an asset. The deficit numbers are from the auditor general. Same auditor general for Doug as for Wynnebag. When Wynnebag didn't like what the auditor general stated she removed some of the authority the auditor general had.... like approving whether ads are partisan or not. And Mike Eves left more than stated Harper left more than stated Wynne left more than stated Mulroney left more than stated (he is the all time spender) Since social media came around you are just finding these things out. AG called it creative and governments are always under audit but today 02sled just found this out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, 02sled said: The auditors recorded and verified a surplus. It's Trudope who spouted the unsubstantiated deficit numbers.... Hmmm who do I believe the independent auditors or Mr. ummm and ahhh. I'll go with the auditors. I guess you missed the timing of the election? its a half year until budget time - go away oneway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 02sled said: That goes against who Fail is. After all he has said in the past the CEO of RBC is wrong on business investment. RBC pays him $12.4 M a year. They could replace him with Fail for a fraction of that and get much better financial expertise. Fail says so. are you agreeing with his explanation of how a deficit works? please say yes can I have an RBC link please Edited November 12, 2018 by 1trailmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 This is how dumb this is getting, Doug drops by this place and they post a pic of Doug. They are taking a unnecessary beating about lower wages and sick time. I know you have all said you won't serve Wynne which is funny in itself, I think anyone would or could post a pic of a leader being there. The question is will he claim these gifts I know how you guys don't like gifts One Pizza and One Hat and Advertising fees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: And Mike Eves left more than stated Harper left more than stated Wynne left more than stated Mulroney left more than stated (he is the all time spender) Since social media came around you are just finding these things out. AG called it creative and governments are always under audit but today 02sled just found this out Who the hell is Mike Eves Fail... more of your delusions right. Maybe your fogged up brain is thinking of Ernie Eves back 15 years ago. Forget social media dumb as a stump. How about the traditional news media where in a very rare if ever before done the auditor general a short time before the provincial election had a press conference and re-released her report stating that the province was not following accepted accounting practices and that the deficit was grossly understated. I see that your putting in yet another full day at work leaching off the taxpayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, 02sled said: Who the hell is Mike Eves Fail... more of your delusions right. Maybe your fogged up brain is thinking of Ernie Eves back 15 years ago. Forget social media dumb as a stump. How about the traditional news media where in a very rare if ever before done the auditor general a short time before the provincial election had a press conference and re-released her report stating that the province was not following accepted accounting practices and that the deficit was grossly understated. I see that your putting in yet another full day at work leaching off the taxpayers. Mike missing comma Eves - you can try to use your brain to figure some stuff out on your own. can you link to this press conference? grossly understated was said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 When Doug refuses to answer a question when will you guys post about it like you do about Trudeau? NEVER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: When Doug refuses to answer a question when will you guys post about it like you do about Trudeau? NEVER Do you really miss Wynne that much and do you honestly think Trudeau isn't in over his head? I know it's early but at least I am liking Ford so far. I would have preferred Elliot but I am glad she is at least at his side. Trudope can't go quick enough, imo. The guy is a certifiable, incompetent dolt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: When Doug refuses to answer a question when will you guys post about it like you do about Trudeau? NEVER You need to take a stroll through Douglass Ford Park, take a deep breath and then slowly exhale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 hours ago, irv said: Do you really miss Wynne that much and do you honestly think Trudeau isn't in over his head? I know it's early but at least I am liking Ford so far. I would have preferred Elliot but I am glad she is at least at his side. Trudope can't go quick enough, imo. The guy is a certifiable, incompetent dolt! Didn't vote for Wynne last 2 election so I guess I don't miss her I will not vote for Doug he is a douche bag of highest degree, his attitude in Queens Park is that of an uneducated dictator. Watch Ontario go in reverse is my opinion on Doug. Good? sure everyone does some good No E-test sure great buck a beer sure where? no talking about gays or anything close to students? sure lets do that Can't wait to see what he does inplace of Cap and Trade Sorry I think Canada has done very well Under Trudeau, being his platform or not doesn't matter. After 10 years of Conservatives it was more than enough. By the way I voted for Harper twice but did not in the last election too much hate spewed daily at that time. No negative growth under Trudeau seems to be something to be proud of I would say..... Lets give that up but carry on NEW ONEWAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: You need to take a stroll through Douglass Ford Park, take a deep breath and then slowly exhale. Just as I thought ONEWAY no surprise. Paying a guy hired for 1 day 500k seems steep but not to you ONEWAYS, in your eyes he is clearing up the mess Doug is right on cue with Doucheness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve6 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: Just as I thought ONEWAY no surprise. Paying a guy hired for 1 day 500k seems steep but not to you ONEWAYS, in your eyes he is clearing up the mess Doug is right on cue with Doucheness This article is for you trail https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-hard-to-watch-former-premier-kathleen-wynne-reflects-on-life-in/ Also, LOL @ Quote The decimated Liberals will be further away from official party status — and the taxpayer-funded caucus budget that comes with it — as Premier Doug Ford’s government raises the threshold. Thursday’s fall economic statement from Finance Minister Vic Fedeli will require political parties to have a minimum of 12 MPPs for official party status, up from eight, as first reported by CTV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, steve6 said: This article is for you trail https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-hard-to-watch-former-premier-kathleen-wynne-reflects-on-life-in/ Also, LOL @ Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: Didn't vote for Wynne last 2 election so I guess I don't miss her I will not vote for Doug he is a douche bag of highest degree, his attitude in Queens Park is that of an uneducated dictator. Watch Ontario go in reverse is my opinion on Doug. Good? sure everyone does some good No E-test sure great buck a beer sure where? no talking about gays or anything close to students? sure lets do that Can't wait to see what he does inplace of Cap and Trade Sorry I think Canada has done very well Under Trudeau, being his platform or not doesn't matter. After 10 years of Conservatives it was more than enough. By the way I voted for Harper twice but did not in the last election too much hate spewed daily at that time. No negative growth under Trudeau seems to be something to be proud of I would say..... Lets give that up but carry on NEW ONEWAY First Bold, Ontario was already going in reverse at very high speed, Doug just applied the brakes to that. Second Bold, On Trudeau doing a good job. How about this post. "Losing is the new winning". https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/toronto-better-off-without-amazon-hq2-1.4899528 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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