*** OFFICIAL Doug Ford thread ***

[steve6]

But.. Jus-dont will be out fall of 19. That means if Doug can get agreement from PC Fed leader about no carbon tax.. at the most 9 months of it, or Doug fights it in court like he said he would which could delay or stop it all together itself. Its really not a smart plan by Justin at this point to enforce it for provinces that are pushing back.

Kill the drive clean program next please dougy!

[1trailmaker]

28 minutes ago, dirtybeacher said:

They are the same.  The difference is how it is collected.  Don’t try to sugar coat it.  

At least with a tax, we can see on our bills, how much the taxpayer is contributing.  Under cap trade, do you think business’s are going to absorb their purchases of carbon credits, hurting their bottom line? 

At the end of the day, we are paying more on a new carbon policy.  As for companies that have already paid, we should refund them, since the money hasn’t (shouldn’t of) been spent yet.  

Youve got it all backwards, Doug will save Ontario and business’s billions.

 

 

Company A works hard to reduce emission, sells their credits for cash lowering overhead

Company B doesn't reduce emissions, buys credits and increases overhead 

 

vs carbon tax

Company A and B pay the same % tax  increasing overhead with no way to lower it 

 

  

[ArcticCrusher]

46 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

The topic is Cap n Trade vs Carbon Tax - once the FEDs plan comes into effect next year we will have carbon tax instead of cap n  trade.   

I am not for any of these taxes but it looks like its coming no matter what and  if so Cap n trade is far better solution 

 

The two are not the same

 

Doug will cost Ontario and businesses billions with his NOplan - what should be done for the businesses that now have worthless cap n trade credits   fuck them?

No Trudeau will be turfed along with his disastrous record and carbon dream.

[1trailmaker]

1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said:

No Trudeau will be turfed along with his disastrous record and carbon dream.

maybe

doubtful 

 

[dirtybeacher]

21 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

Company A works hard to reduce emission, sells their credits for cash lowering overhead

Company B doesn't reduce emissions, buys credits and increases overhead 

 

vs carbon tax

Company A and B pay the same % tax  increasing overhead with no way to lower it 

 

  

Company A spends money to be carbon compliant, overhead increases  

Company B buys credits because it’s cheaper than investing in carbon compliance, overhead increases. 

Consumer pays more to cover company’s increased overhead. 

There is a way to lower it,  say no to a new carbon pricing policy.  

[1trailmaker]

4 minutes ago, dirtybeacher said:

Company A spends money to be carbon compliant, overhead increases  

Company B buys credits because it’s cheaper than investing in carbon compliance, overhead increases. 

Consumer pays more to cover company’s increased overhead. 

There is a way to lower it,  say no to a new carbon pricing policy.  

Bold is a given but its not happening nor the topic 

 

let me know when you are saving money 

 

[Momorider]

So I come and check out this thread and what do I read more stupidity fabrications and complet  from WRONG AGAIN FAIL  some things never change  

[revrnd]

CTV Toronto had a segment about the Green vehicle rebate cancellation. Some people rethinking their purchase plans now. I wonder how Tesla sales will be affected?

[1trailmaker]

how about the ECO tax  

[1trailmaker]

1 hour ago, revrnd said:

CTV Toronto had a segment about the Green vehicle rebate cancellation. Some people rethinking their purchase plans now. I wonder how Tesla sales will be affected?

With the government moving away from being Green many businesses in this field  will feel the hurt.  

I wonder how many car dealers will be stuck with stock

 

Can Doug bring back smog days  

 

[ArcticCrusher]

7 hours ago, revrnd said:

CTV Toronto had a segment about the Green vehicle rebate cancellation. Some people rethinking their purchase plans now. I wonder how Tesla sales will be affected?

Good.  

[ArcticCrusher]

6 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

With the government moving away from being Green many businesses in this field  will feel the hurt.  

I wonder how many car dealers will be stuck with stock

 

Can Doug bring back smog days  

 

Doug needs to scrap the freeloader charge stations as well.  Make them pay.

[Sksman]

7 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

With the government moving away from being Green many businesses in this field  will feel the hurt.  

I wonder how many car dealers will be stuck with stock

 

Can Doug bring back smog days  

 

You mean with the government moving away from paying for 33% of someone’s car purchase?  Maybe people should pay for their own cars.  I do not need to pay for someone else’s car   

I don’t care how many car dealers are left with stock.  That is there business decision.

 

cap and trade is bullshit.  How do you know a business has reduced emissions?  Seriously.   How can a business have credits to sell?

How can a government ensure credits purchased in Quebec are not counted twice?

A business sells it credits.  How do they earn credits?  Is there a savings somewhere?  

 

 

[Momorider]

40 minutes ago, Sksman said:

You mean with the government moving away from paying for 33% of someone’s car purchase?  Maybe people should pay for their own cars.  I do not need to pay for someone else’s car   

I don’t care how many car dealers are left with stock.  That is there business decision.

 

cap and trade is bullshit.  How do you know a business has reduced emissions?  Seriously.   How can a business have credits to sell?

How can a government ensure credits purchased in Quebec are not counted twice?

A business sells it credits.  How do they earn credits?  Is there a savings somewhere?  

 

 

All the manufacturing moved out of Ontario under the leftards there is nothing left to cause pollution or use electricity  funny you never heard about expecting brownouts during this three weeks of heat, thanks to NinnyBag and Squishy  

[1trailmaker]

2 hours ago, Sksman said:

You mean with the government moving away from paying for 33% of someone’s car purchase?  Maybe people should pay for their own cars.  I do not need to pay for someone else’s car   

I don’t care how many car dealers are left with stock.  That is there business decision.

 

cap and trade is bullshit.  How do you know a business has reduced emissions?  Seriously.   How can a business have credits to sell?

How can a government ensure credits purchased in Quebec are not counted twice?

A business sells it credits.  How do they earn credits?  Is there a savings somewhere?  

 

 

so many questions means you clearly haven't any clue how capNtrade works - paying 33% of the purchase   good one 

[1trailmaker]

2 hours ago, Momorider said:

All the manufacturing moved out of Ontario under the leftards there is nothing left to cause pollution or use electricity  funny you never heard about expecting brownouts during this three weeks of heat, thanks to NinnyBag and Squishy  

  Because HYDRO was updated, we no longer have brown outs - or smog days for that matter.

 

Will there be a wave of manufacturing coming back now, like Donny says is going to happen  I betting no

[Momorider]

18 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

  Because HYDRO was updated, we no longer have brown outs - or smog days for that matter.

 

Will there be a wave of manufacturing coming back now, like Donny says is going to happen  I betting no

Too much red tape high taxes and most expensive hydro in North America says fucking no. The loss of manufacturing big hydro users was a much bigger factor in the lowering of power consumption and no more brown outs than any infrastructure upgrades WRONG AGAIN FAIL  

Edited July 15, 2018 by Momorider

[1trailmaker]

7 minutes ago, Momorider said:

Too much red tape high taxes and most expensive hydro in North America says fucking no. The loss of manufacturing big hydro users was a much bigger factor in the lowering of power consumption and no more brown outs than any infrastructure upgrades WRONG AGAIN FAIL  

Average daily electricity demand in Ontario fell considerably between 2002 and 2016. The overall decrease in demand was primarily due to conservation efforts such as IESO’s Save on Energy programs, as well as improvements in energy efficiency. Light bulbs, which account for 15% to 20% of global electricity consumption^Footnote1, now use up to 85% less energy thanks to LED and CFL technologies. Appliances such as refrigerators and freezers, which comprise up to 12%of household energy use, have also become more energy efficient both at the residential and industrial levels.

hourly difference between demand in 2002 and 2016. Although the demand being met by the grid dropped for all hours since 2002, the largest decreases occurred over the daytime hours. While evening and nighttime demand decreased by just over 1 500 MW at each hour, daytime demand decreased by as much as 2 700 MW around midday. This is primarily a result of the increase in solar PV capacity, nearly all of which was installed after 2009. With the exception of some large solar farms, most solar capacity is attached to the households, businesses, and industrial facilities that consume its output. As a result, during the day when local solar generation peaks and these consumers supply their own electricity, demand from the grid is decreased.

 

Brown outs might come back under SloganMan 

 

[Momorider]

20 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

Average daily electricity demand in Ontario fell considerably between 2002 and 2016. The overall decrease in demand was primarily due to conservation efforts such as IESO’s Save on Energy programs, as well as improvements in energy efficiency. Light bulbs, which account for 15% to 20% of global electricity consumption^Footnote1, now use up to 85% less energy thanks to LED and CFL technologies. Appliances such as refrigerators and freezers, which comprise up to 12%of household energy use, have also become more energy efficient both at the residential and industrial levels.

hourly difference between demand in 2002 and 2016. Although the demand being met by the grid dropped for all hours since 2002, the largest decreases occurred over the daytime hours. While evening and nighttime demand decreased by just over 1 500 MW at each hour, daytime demand decreased by as much as 2 700 MW around midday. This is primarily a result of the increase in solar PV capacity, nearly all of which was installed after 2009. With the exception of some large solar farms, most solar capacity is attached to the households, businesses, and industrial facilities that consume its output. As a result, during the day when local solar generation peaks and these consumers supply their own electricity, demand from the grid is decreased.

 

Brown outs might come back under SloganMan 

 

That is massive  the exit of manufacturing was the reason that green  if leftard propoganda 

[1trailmaker]

2 minutes ago, Momorider said:

That is massive  the exit of manufacturing was the reason that green  if leftard propoganda 

so the wave is coming back, just like coal mining   

[1trailmaker]

2003: The transmission grid is old, fragile, and composed of aging generation plants and coal stations causing air pollution. This poor infrastructure results in a blackout, which rolls through eastern Ontario in the summer. The government promises to strengthen the system.

2004: Electricity Restructuring Act is passed, aiming to reinvigorate the province’s electricity sector in order to encourage new electricity supply, promote energy conservation, and provide stable prices at a level reflecting the true cost of electricity. 

2004: Ontario Power Authority (OPA), an independent non-profit corporation, is established and charged with assessing the long-term adequacy of electricity resources, forecasting and managing demand, achieving targets set by government for conservation and renewable energy, and preparing an integrated electricity system plan. Included in its mandate is facilitating the removal of coal in the province’s energy supply mix. 

 

sorry MoMoNoNothing 

[toslow]

ffs trail are you still beating the same old drum. go live your life and do something instead of hanging out and bull shitting about politics on a sled forum

[ArcticCrusher]

8 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

so the wave is coming back, just like coal mining   

So Doug protests are starting.

Funny girl in first photo looks like a cousin who said she wound protest Doug at every chance.  50 supported by dad up until now, typical Doug protester.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ford-protest-1.4747246

[revrnd]

15 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

So Doug protests are starting.

Funny girl in first photo looks like a cousin who said she wound protest Doug at every chance.  50 supported by dad up until now, typical Doug protester.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ford-protest-1.4747246

The segment on CTV last night said 'dozens were at Queens Park in support of the marginalized in Ontario'.

The expression on the face of the guy they interviewed was priceless. I thought he was going to start crying.

Edited July 16, 2018 by revrnd

[Sksman]

10 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

so many questions means you clearly haven't any clue how capNtrade works - paying 33% of the purchase   good one 

So if a Tesla 3 or whatever the name cost $45,000 to buy and the purchaser was promised a $14,000 grant how many percent of the purchase price is that oh rocket scientist Failmaker?

Pretty close to 33% ?

Just admit you are no clue Failmaker and move on.