NaturallyAspirated Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Do you want racism to end? Do you think dismissing what black people say about it is going to accomplish that? Absolutely. I don't think it will harm the cause to end the misuse or coopting of words to promote black privilege. I think that this word co-opting will overall harm the goal of ending racism. See black people have the same opportunity to be racist, and in this case I think it is quite clear that fighting fire with fire isn't going to accomplish that goal. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Facts don't care about your feelings Fact is racism happens from blacks to white as well as white to black. It happens from yellow to black, brown to black, brown to yellow, yellow to white, and on down the line. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Fact is racism happens from blacks to white as well as white to black. It happens from yellow to black, brown to black, brown to yellow, yellow to white, and on down the line. Neal And that’s why the definition...widely accepted around the world, is correct and valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: Absolutely. I don't think it will harm the cause to end the misuse or coopting of words to promote black privilege. I think that this word co-opting will overall harm the goal of ending racism. See black people have the same opportunity to be racist, and in this case I think it is quite clear that fighting fire with fire isn't going to accomplish that goal. Neal Punching up isn't the same as punching down, Neal. Black people have a right to be angry, have a right to hate their oppressors. To deny them that is invalidating their unique experience in this system. "Don't fight hate with hate" is white liberal PC nonsense. You're equating the contempt toward the oppressor with contempt toward the oppressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 And again @ black privilege. Please tell me what black privilege involves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On behalf of minorities we disavow motos retardation. We do not want, or need him and other suburban white liberals continually speaking on our behalf and always trying to segregate us through ideals. Just treat us fair and as equals as it should be. Hire us on merit. Friend us because we’re friendly. Hate some of us because some of us can be assholes too. And #1 allow us to think and speak for ourselves. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Punching up isn't the same as punching down, Neal. Black people have a right to be angry, have a right to hate their oppressors. To deny them that is invalidating their unique experience in this system. "Don't fight hate with hate" is white liberal PC nonsense. You're equating the contempt toward the oppressor with contempt toward the oppressed. Punching is the same as punching. Yes, they sure do, and when their "unique experience" oversteps those bounds it shall be called out and shouted down with all the vigor that they are applying. No, not in the least, and especially in my context!!!! I'm making the point that to be taken seriously, specific examples must be given and specific perpetrators identified. Claiming to be painted with a broad brush and then rebuking with a broad brush will never equate to the advancement of racism being extinguished. It's a spinning of the wheels. We've been over this before, give the specifics so we can address the specifics. I'm here for that, all day. Neal Edited January 24, 2018 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: And again @ black privilege. Please tell me what black privilege involves. Being able to claim only blacks are victims of racism. How privileged is that thinking... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: On behalf of minorities we disavow motos retardation. We do not want, or need him and other suburban white liberals continually speaking on our behalf and always trying to segregate us through ideals. Just treat us fair and as equals as it should be. Hire us on merit. Friend us because we’re friendly. Hate some of us because some of us can be assholes too. And #1 allow us to think and speak for ourselves. Thanks The article was written by a black person. As a wp minority, you probably shouldn't be invalidating a black persons opinion or experience. Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: Being able to claim only blacks are victims of racism. How privileged is that thinking... Neal Yes, because it's a privilege to experience racism every single day of your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) Just click to read. Edited January 24, 2018 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: The article was written by a black person. As a wp minority, you probably shouldn't be invalidating a black persons opinion or experience. Yes, because it's a privilege to experience racism every single day of your life. There’s extremists in “our” society as well. The fact that she keeps talking about Old white things shows how racist she is. As a group we do not accept her ramblings as much more than a fringe opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: The article was written by a black person. As a wp minority, you probably shouldn't be invalidating a black persons opinion or experience. Yes, because it's a privilege to experience racism every single day of your life. Yet the black author invalidates a white perspective immediately. This is why the movement to co-opt the word will lose. Whites experience it too, it isn't a single skin color happening. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: There’s extremists in “our” society as well. The fact that she keeps talking about Old white things shows how racist she is. As a group we do not accept her ramblings as much more than a fringe opinion. Lol, this isn't extremism. What's extreme is the willful white ignorance being displayed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Yet the black author invalidates a white perspective immediately. This is why the movement to co-opt the word will lose. Whites experience it too, it isn't a single skin color happening. Neal People hurting your tender white feelings isn't racism. Accepting the oppressor classes customs and traditions aren't going to end their oppression. Edited January 24, 2018 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Lol, this isn't extremism. What's extreme is the willful white ignorance being displayed here. Just because this fringe extremist has an opinion it doesn’t make her correct. Saying we need to change the definition of racism so that only whites can be racist, is racist against whites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 We’re never going to close the racial divide with dumbfuck liberals spewing bullshit like this about us minorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Lol, this isn't extremism. What's extreme is the willful white ignorance being displayed here. Of course it is, it's extremist to think that a case of diode skin color racism will be an excuse to co-opt the definition of the word. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 Now racism is 'disagreeing with white people' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: People hurting your tender white feelings isn't racism. Accepting the oppressor classes customs and traditions aren't going to end their oppression. And likewise people hurting your tender black feelings about word usage isn't racism. If by oppressor class and tradition you mean to fairly and justly use a word which has an agreed and defined usage, then your right it wouldn't, but it would be a step in the correct direction to doing so. And I'm going to change the definition of oppressor to black person dictating to white people the way words must be used, because, hey, that's the way it works now... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: And likewise people hurting your tender black feelings about word usage isn't racism. If by oppressor class and tradition you mean to fairly and justly use a word which has an agreed and defined usage, then your right it wouldn't, but it would be a step in the correct direction to doing so. And I'm going to change the definition of oppressor to black person dictating to white people the way words must be used, because, hey, that's the way it works now... Neal I mean, this is typical white centrist bullshit. There's two sides to every issue and they're both equally guilty of everything they accuse each other of. Black people are telling you that your white dictionary definition doesn't fit with their experience of racism in America. And your response? Oh well. Can't change it. Is what it is. Edited January 24, 2018 by motonoggin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 More examples of white centrist nonsense: "Antifa are just as bad as fascists" "Killing Nazis makes you as bad as a Nazi" "Women hating men is just as bad as men hating women." "Blacks hating the oppressor class is just as bad as the oppressor class hating black people" "Punching is punching" "If you're nice to your oppressor, they'll be nicer to you" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted January 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 hours ago, motonoggin said: I mean, this is typical white centrist bullshit. There's two sides to every issue and they're both equally guilty of everything they accuse each other of. Black people are telling you that your white dictionary definition doesn't fit with their experience of racism in America. And your response? Oh well. Can't change it. Is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted January 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 hours ago, motonoggin said: More examples of white centrist nonsense: "Antifa are just as bad as fascists" "Killing Nazis makes you as bad as a Nazi" "Women hating men is just as bad as men hating women." "Blacks hating the oppressor class is just as bad as the oppressor class hating black people" "Punching is punching" "If you're nice to your oppressor, they'll be nicer to you" Kneel in the Middle Moto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) no one is working harder than moto Dalezal to keep racism alive Edited January 24, 2018 by MiSledder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted January 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 24, 2018 I had to stop here....... Quote So here’s the thing, the dictionary is not the law of the land. It’s a dictionary. It’s a book, it’s a pocket guide. It’s not the pirate code written in blood, it wasn’t written by god. It’s not the 10 commandments, nobody had to make human sacrifices for it. It’s a reference guide of words. It was written by a bunch of white people to lay out general definitions of old white words. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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