How to go grocery shopping in Socialist country

[motonoggin]

4 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

I asked what is the racial make up of Norway?  Don’t be scared to answer you magnacoaster believing faggot.  Racial make up has the most to do with Norway’s make up.  And we are most certainly forced to take immigrant....  why is daca being even debated if we are not forced to take immigration?

It's class, not race. If you weren't a racist, you'd realize that. 

[ICEMAN!]

9 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

I asked what is the racial make up of Norway?  Don’t be scared to answer you magnacoaster believing faggot.  Racial make up has the most to do with Norway’s make up.  And we are most certainly forced to take immigrant....  why is daca being even debated if we are not forced to take immigration?

Go lay down son.  You’re punch drunk

[Snake]

1 minute ago, ICEMAN! said:

Go lay down son.  You’re punch drunk

Would you move to Norway?

Become a citizen?

[BOHICA]

3 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

Go lay down son.  You’re punch drunk

What the racial makeup of Norway???  It’s ok little fella, your party won’t disowning you for answering how many blacks and Hispanics are in Norway.

[ICEMAN!]

6 minutes ago, Snake said:

Would you move to Norway?

Become a citizen?

No, but my reasons have nothing to do with their tax structure.

3 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

What the racial makeup of Norway???  It’s ok little fella, your party won’t disowning you for answering how many blacks and Hispanics are in Norway.

I covered that in my first post, but you’re too dim to add it up.  Take off your white hood so you can see more clearly and read it again.

[BOHICA]

22 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

It's class, not race. If you weren't a racist, you'd realize that. 

Can you answer....  Ice can’t.  What percentage of the population of Norway is black and Hispanic?

Edited January 13, 2018 by BOHICA

[Mileage Psycho]

1 hour ago, motonoggin said:

No it's not. We don't need capitalism to motivate people to make the world a better place.

We have witnessed the failure of collectives, and here's why it doesn't work: Let's say that I am happy living in a one room shack with an outhouse and a well pump out front, and you on the other hand want a 3,000 SF house with all the amenities. Now the scenario is that we have a 20 acre collective to share crops and to raise tasty critters, the problem is that I am rather lazy and am not really motivated to work hard because my hovel doesn't require to much effort to build and maintain, you on the other hand want this comfy 3000 SF house with running water and flush terlits, and you are willing to bust your ass to make that happen which is cool because we will share the profits of the collective which I will use the proceeds to buy party materials so I can fumble around my hovel in a stupor and to hire party girls for the love that I need......and you know what the good part is? I'll say thank you Moto for giving me the life I want while you just have to grin and bear it while you struggle to attain the lifestyle you desire.

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Like I said.

The perfect model exists only in a fantasy land.... a flat earth so to speak.

See above.

[Snake]

11 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

No, but my reasons have nothing to do with their tax structure.

I covered that in my first post, but you’re too dim to add it up.  Take off your white hood so you can see more clearly and read it again.

Does it have to do with the mandatory military conscription?

Still another socialist 'ideal'.

[steve from amherst]

7 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said:

We have witnessed the failure of collectives, and here's why it doesn't work: Let's say that I am happy living in a one room shack with an outhouse and a well pump out front, and you on the other hand want a 3,000 SF house with all the amenities. Now the scenario is that we have a 20 acre collective to share crops and to raise tasty critters, the problem is that I am rather lazy and am not really motivated to work hard because my hovel doesn't require to much effort to build and maintain, you on the other hand want this comfy 3000 SF house with running water and flush terlits, and you are willing to bust your ass to make that happen which is cool because we will share the profits of the collective which I will use the proceeds to buy party materials so I can fumble around my hovel in a stupor and to hire party girls for the love that I need......and you know what the good part is? I'll say thank you Moto for giving me the life I want while you just have to grin and bear it while you struggle to attain the lifestyle you desire.

See above.

And before long he loses his desire to work hard for nice shit only to have it taken from him. Before long the whole place is living to the standards of the laziest fuck in the place.

[Snake]

Just now, steve from amherst said:

And before long he loses his desire to work hard for nice shit only to have it taken from him. Before long the whole place is living to the standards of the laziest fuck in the place.

Not in Moto's Eden.

Everyone is happy to be collectively miserable.

[motonoggin]

1 minute ago, Mileage Psycho said:

We have witnessed the failure of collectives, and here's why it doesn't work: Let's say that I am happy living in a one room shack with an outhouse and a well pump out front, and you on the other hand want a 3,000 SF house with all the amenities. Now the scenario is that we have a 20 acre collective to share crops and to raise tasty critters, the problem is that I am rather lazy and am not really motivated to work hard because my hovel doesn't require to much effort to build and maintain, you on the other hand want this comfy 3000 SF house with running water and flush terlits, and you are willing to bust your ass to make that happen which is cool because we will share the profits of the collective which I will use the proceeds to buy party materials so I can fumble around my hovel in a stupor and to hire party girls for the love that I need......and you know what the good part is? I'll say thank you Moto for giving me the life I want while you just have to grin and bear it while you struggle to attain the lifestyle you desire.

See above.

This analysis of yours is basically a variant of the 'capitalism is human nature' argument, which is terribly fallacious and ignorant of actual human history prior to developing agriculture. 

You want to know the best part about capitalism, though? It will eventually remove all the human labor from the production equation, making work a thing of the past. 

And you know what happens when there's no work, right?

[motonoggin]

1 minute ago, steve from amherst said:

And before long he loses his desire to work hard for nice shit only to have it taken from him. Before long the whole place is living to the standards of the laziest fuck in the place.

You guys really need to get a better understanding of what socialism actually is. This is quite embarrassing.

[JEFF]

22 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

You guys really need to get a better understanding of what socialism actually is. This is quite embarrassing.

I'd say  a more accurate statement would be. You need a better grip on reality. Your pipe dream is off the charts dumb on so many levels it can't be taken seriously. 

[motonoggin]

1 minute ago, JEFF said:

I'd say  a more accurate statement would be. You need a better grip on reality. Your pipe dream is off the charts dumb on so many levels it can't be taken seriously. 

What pipe dream are you referring to? 

Do you think humanity needs capitalism? 

[JEFF]

9 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

What pipe dream are you referring to? 

Do you think humanity needs capitalism? 

The belief that people can and will live harmoniously while sharing $$$ and work and goods equally. That's the pipe dream.

Does humanity need capitalism? Absolutely not. 

Do I believe capitalism is the best, most fair way to get what you want out of life? Absolutely. You want a lot? You can do that. You don't want much? You can do that too. 

[motonoggin]

2 minutes ago, JEFF said:

The belief that people can and will live harmoniously while sharing $$$ and work and goods equally. That's the pipe dream.

Does humanity need capitalism? Absolutely not. 

Do I believe capitalism is the best, most fair way to get what you want out of life? Absolutely. You want a lot? You can do that. You don't want much? You can do that too. 

Here's the thing about that, though. Eventually capitalism will ensure that human labor is no longer present in the production of goods. 

How do you suppose humanity will survive without jobs?

 

[JEFF]

7 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Here's the thing about that, though. Eventually capitalism will ensure that human labor is no longer present in the production of goods. 

How do you suppose humanity will survive without jobs?

 

I'd say that judging on my beliefs and other business owners that I know It's not likely that the rise of machines will ever replace most jobs. Some manufacturing sure.

But by the time anything like that will happen we'll all be dead from the rising seas due to global warming. 

[Snake]

13 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Here's the thing about that, though. Eventually capitalism will ensure that human labor is no longer present in the production of goods. 

How do you suppose humanity will survive without jobs?

 

It's nothing new.. democrat voters have been doing it for decades.

[MiSledder]

7 minutes ago, Snake said:

It's nothing new.. democrat voters have been doing it for decades.

Lol

[motonoggin]

Just now, JEFF said:

I'd say that judging on my beliefs and other business owners that I know It's not likely that the rise of machines will ever replace most jobs. Some manufacturing sure.

But by the time anything like that will happen we'll all be dead from the rising seas due to global warming. 

Not just manufacturing, also farming, building, driving, even programming. 

The logical conclusion of capitalism will be a largely automated means of production, but a market with no money to buy anything produced under such a system, resulting in a massive underclass and massive levels of debt. 

This will develop into a situation where we have the ability to provide for everyone, but we don't because of a silly social construct like money. This system contains the seeds of its own demise. It will not last into the next century at this rate.

[motonoggin]

We're already seeing the beginning of it with all this universal basic income talk. From capitalists themselves, no less. They can see it coming.

[ICEMAN!]

34 minutes ago, JEFF said:

I'd say that judging on my beliefs and other business owners that I know It's not likely that the rise of machines will ever replace most jobs. Some manufacturing sure.

But by the time anything like that will happen we'll all be dead from the rising seas due to global warming. 

It’s already happening, the pace will quicken and it will affect basically every profession and industry.

[JEFF]

34 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Not just manufacturing, also farming, building, driving, even programming. 

The logical conclusion of capitalism will be a largely automated means of production, but a market with no money to buy anything produced under such a system, resulting in a massive underclass and massive levels of debt. 

This will develop into a situation where we have the ability to provide for everyone, but we don't because of a silly social construct like money. This system contains the seeds of its own demise. It will not last into the next century at this rate.

To some extent I think you're right. But I think your time frame is off. By about a century. 

 

7 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

It’s already happening, the pace will quicken and it will affect basically every profession and industry.

Ditto above. There are a bunch of professions that will remain safe from robotics and machine takeover. Anything that isn't ridiculously repetitive is going to be safe for a long long time.  

[ICEMAN!]

5 minutes ago, JEFF said:

To some extent I think you're right. But I think your time frame is off. By about a century. 

 

Ditto above. There are a bunch of professions that will remain safe from robotics and machine takeover. Anything that isn't ridiculously repetitive is going to be safe for a long long time.  

I disagree.  Do some reading.  It’s astounding how well AI works now and how quickly it’s advancing.

[DriftBusta]

 

2 hours ago, motonoggin said:

You guys really need to get a better understanding of what socialism actually is. This is quite embarrassing.

Please.  And what exactly are your education credentials that give you the right to make such a claim?

2 hours ago, JEFF said:

The belief that people can and will live harmoniously while sharing $$$ and work and goods equally. That's the pipe dream.

Does humanity need capitalism? Absolutely not. 

Do I believe capitalism is the best, most fair way to get what you want out of life? Absolutely. You want a lot? You can do that. You don't want much? You can do that too. 

You can tell him until you're blue in the face.  He's got a meme bank for every argument and actually believes this shit.  Then again, the last time he was so enthusiastic was over Bernie being a president.