More Global Warming..LOL

[XCR1250]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/weather/cold-weather-wrap-trnd/index.html

[02sled]

The phrase Global Warming is long outdated. That was way back when they predicted that coastal cities would be under water by about 20 years ago. Then the ozone layer that they blamed for global warming suddenly inexplicably fixed itself. When all their predictions fizzled and research funding started to drop off Global Warming was replaced with a new buzz phrase Climate Change. Well the predictions with Climate Change have been fizzling as well and the research funding has been falling off again so now the most recent buzz phrase to replace Climate Change is Extreme Weather.

[Dave]

35 minutes ago, 02sled said:

The phrase Global Warming is long outdated. That was way back when they predicted that coastal cities would be under water by about 20 years ago. Then the ozone layer that they blamed for global warming suddenly inexplicably fixed itself. When all their predictions fizzled and research funding started to drop off Global Warming was replaced with a new buzz phrase Climate Change. Well the predictions with Climate Change have been fizzling as well and the research funding has been falling off again so now the most recent buzz phrase to replace Climate Change is Extreme Weather.

Well this extreme cold can fuck right off.

[NaturallyAspirated]

I thought this was weather not global warming? 

Neal

[Rod]

The alt left: “omg a period of cold weather over a certain time has nothing to do with climate change”

also the alt left: “omg this years average temp was slightly higher than last years that’s Climate change!!”

[NaturallyAspirated]

4 hours ago, Rod Johnson said:

The alt left: “omg a period of cold weather over a certain time has nothing to do with climate change”

also the alt left: “omg this years average temp was slightly higher than last years that’s Climate change!!”

Alt left....

Neal

[Rod]

2 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Alt left....

Neal

Ya that’s you 

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

One year doesn’t depict climate, it shows weather. Both sides need to understand that. 

[Dave]

2 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

One year doesn’t depict climate, it shows weather. Both sides need to understand that. 

That will never happen....there is to much money to be made.

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

Just now, DAVE said:

That will never happen....there is to much money to be made.

I know, but if common people rejected the narrative that one warm year meant global warming or one cold year meant it was a farce, then we could have rational debate on the subject. People need to understand one simple concept. Climate is a measure of the environment meaured off a large grouping of years. Weather is everything less than that. Even two or three consecutive years is still weather. 

[NaturallyAspirated]

37 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said:

Ya that’s you 

Oh ya.... TOTALLY!!!!  

Neal

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

25 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Oh ya.... TOTALLY!!!!  

Neal

The correct terminology for known alt leftists is totes mcgotes.

[washedupmxer]

14 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

I know, but if common people rejected the narrative that one warm year meant global warming or one cold year meant it was a farce, then we could have rational debate on the subject. People need to understand one simple concept. Climate is a measure of the environment meaured off a large grouping of years. Weather is everything less than that. Even two or three consecutive years is still weather. 

All correct. But we all also know it's the 2 tenths of a degree in small window of the Earth's history is what everyone should panic over. 

[02sled]

15 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

One year doesn’t depict climate, it shows weather. Both sides need to understand that. 

exactly.... a cycle in terms of weather and nature could be 10s of thousands of years or more

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

4 minutes ago, washedupmxer said:

All correct. But we all also know it's the 2 tenths of a degree in small window of the Earth's history is what everyone should panic over. 

Sorta correct. You want to measure climate on a smaller scale. Makes no sense to average the last 100 or even 1000+ years. It’s just not a number worth interpreting. You want to eliminate yearly and even decade fluctuation, but anything more than that you aren’t able to measure variables independently. There is value to accurately depicting climate in a proper time frame. Allows us to better understand trends which have value for more than just complaining about global warming and whether it exists. It is useful to strategically plan for our consumption needs in food based off of our best estimates in where farming will be most sufficient. Thankfully, mo fuckn science is so adept that we can create crops that can survive most climate fluctuations. Climate change can’t be debated as being false. Even man made change can’t be debated. But, the amount and severity of man made interactions most certainly can. I’m not of the doom and gloom camp. I think as humans we are so proficient at farming and weather mitigation, that there is very little we can do that can’t be corrected in the future. 

3 minutes ago, 02sled said:

exactly.... a cycle in terms of weather and nature could be 10s of thousands of years or more

That is too long. That sort of macro scale is useless. It needs to be smaller. What it does tell us is the world changes, but the macro view shows is it is cyclic. But for determining man made implications, you need to look on a more micro climate scale. Otherwise you can’t meausre. Too many variables. 

[NaturallyAspirated]

18 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Sorta correct. You want to measure climate on a smaller scale. Makes no sense to average the last 100 or even 1000+ years. It’s just not a number worth interpreting. You want to eliminate yearly and even decade fluctuation, but anything more than that you aren’t able to measure variables independently. There is value to accurately depicting climate in a proper time frame. Allows us to better understand trends which have value for more than just complaining about global warming and whether it exists. It is useful to strategically plan for our consumption needs in food based off of our best estimates in where farming will be most sufficient. Thankfully, mo fuckn science is so adept that we can create crops that can survive most climate fluctuations. Climate change can’t be debated as being false. Even man made change can’t be debated. But, the amount and severity of man made interactions most certainly can. I’m not of the doom and gloom camp. I think as humans we are so proficient at farming and weather mitigation, that there is very little we can do that can’t be corrected in the future. 

That is too long. That sort of macro scale is useless. It needs to be smaller. What it does tell us is the world changes, but the macro view shows is it is cyclic. But for determining man made implications, you need to look on a more micro climate scale. Otherwise you can’t meausre. Too many variables. 

Mostly spot on, I do think we should have trends go out farther though, a couple hundred years is good.

Neal

[Ez ryder]

On ‎12‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 11:14 AM, NaturallyAspirated said:

I thought this was weather not global warming? 

Neal

there is no global warming it is extreme weather now . if you are going to tow the line put your fucking back in to it

[NaturallyAspirated]

1 hour ago, Ez ryder said:

there is no global warming it is extreme weather now . if you are going to tow the line put your fucking back in to it

Of course there is still global warming.  Only ignorant schmucks think it doesn't exist or isn't happening.

Neal

[ArcticCrusher]

7 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Of course there is still global warming.  Only ignorant schmucks think it doesn't exist or isn't happening.

Neal

The true ignorance lies with those who believe they can stop it.

[02sled]

10 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Of course there is still global warming.  Only ignorant schmucks think it doesn't exist or isn't happening.

Neal

The "experts" abandoned the phrase global warming many years ago and began using climate change as the new descriptor. Recently the phrase climate change has been falling out of favour with the "experts" and now they are referring to EXTREME WEATHER instead.

Gotta keep pace with the latest buzz phrase.

No matter how much money the government takes from us as carbon taxes or how much they give to third world countries to encourage Apu to not heat his hut or cook his dinner over an open fire will stop what nature dictates will happen.

We can always pollute less but the environment will continue to evolve just like it has since the beginning of time.

 

Edited January 1, 2018 by 02sled

[NaturallyAspirated]

7 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

The true ignorance lies with those who believe they can stop it.

Currently we don't have a way to stop it, we need more research and education on the behavior for certain.  Making a definitive claim presently is irresponsible.

Neal

[02sled]

3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Currently we don't have a way to stop it, we need more research and education on the behavior for certain.  Making a definitive claim presently is irresponsible.

Neal

you really think that man can control what nature will do on it's own and has done for millions of years....

[Ez ryder]

6 minutes ago, 02sled said:

you really think that man can control what nature will do on it's own and has done for millions of years....

no but we can collect billions of dollars then redistubut them to people who vote how we want in a attempt to feel good about doing our part

[NaturallyAspirated]

9 minutes ago, 02sled said:

The "experts" abandoned the phrase global warming many years ago and began using climate change as the new descriptor. Recently the phrase climate change has been falling out of favour with the "experts" and now they are referring to EXTREME WEATHER instead.

Gotta keep pace with the latest buzz phrase.

No matter how much money the government takes from us as carbon taxes or how much they give to third world countries to encourage Apu to not heat his hut or cook his dinner over an open fire will stop what nature dictates will happen.

We can always pollute less but the environment will continue to evolve just like it has since the beginning of time.

 

Climate change encompasses more than global warming, it makes sense that we use the most specific vernacular as our understanding increases.  Global warming is a large part of climate change.

Extreme weather has always been referenced, i.e. the predicted increase of intensity or frequency of hurricanes would be extreme weather. Floods, droughts, ect. are all extreme weather.  To act like this is a constantly moving word game is idiocy and ignorance.  

The US doesn't have carbon taxes, you are using a factitious argument.  It's silly and childish.  

The fact is we do impact the climate, Apu included.

Of course it will, no one is proposing or suggesting that the earth will end because of our existence, but rather that we will change the planet such that we will have massive changes to deal with our impact.  How will we feed people, how will we deal with coasts flooding, ect.  The planet will surely survive our impact, that isn't the question, the issue is will we be able to sufficiently adapt.

Neal

[NaturallyAspirated]

9 minutes ago, 02sled said:

you really think that man can control what nature will do on it's own and has done for millions of years....

Control - we shall see, impact and change, absolutely, we do, that really isn't a contested issues by any reasonable person.

Past earth behavior has nothing to do with current anthropic influence.  

Neal